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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    Just cuz you still have the gil to buy stuff doesn't mean you'll be willing to buy them 10x overpriced.

    I have over 4mil now. Elect rum ore goes for about 2k each. I am as likely to buy electrum ore for 2k in ARR, where I'll have 400k, as I am likely to buy it for 20k now.

    Not. Very. Likely.
    Actually, extremely likely. What did you rent do in 2009 when the dollar deflated about half a percent, opposed to increasing the normal 3-5%? It sure as hell didn't go down, if anything, it probably went up. Why? The dollar was worth more then. Greed. Plain and simple. People are greedy and people are impatient. The sellers want to make more and the buyers don't want to wait weeks or months for the market to properly deflate. And when you have 400k, or even in my case, 70k. Paying 200g for a silver ore is nothing. Do you honestly think they're going to cost 20g? Are you that naive? If that's all people are getting for them, no ones going to mine them to sell. Then the supply decreases, and the demand increases as people can't acquire them easily, possibly propelling them OVER the current 200g price temporarily. It may be slightly less than 200g by the end of it but it will never be 20g, unless you're the one selling them.

    Greed will always take priority over logic/sense/"what should be". Politics is the obvious example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Futan View Post
    Actually, extremely likely. What did you rent do in 2009 when the dollar deflated about half a percent, opposed to increasing the normal 3-5%? It sure as hell didn't go down, if anything, it probably went up. Why? The dollar was worth more then. Greed. Plain and simple. People are greedy and people are impatient. The sellers want to make more and the buyers don't want to wait weeks or months for the market to properly deflate. And when you have 400k, or even in my case, 70k. Paying 200g for a silver ore is nothing. Do you honestly think they're going to cost 20g? Are you that naive? If that's all people are getting for them, no ones going to mine them to sell. Then the supply decreases, and the demand increases as people can't acquire them easily, possibly propelling them OVER the current 200g price temporarily. It may be slightly less than 200g by the end of it but it will never be 20g, unless you're the one selling them.

    Greed will always take priority over logic/sense/"what should be". Politics is the obvious example.
    There is a reason the housing market crashed here in the U.S. when the economy tanked. The money wasn't there to buy for the asking prices. Even reducing prices wasn't enough. There was simply not enough money to be had (no lending, lost jobs, etc).

    It isn't rocket science. If players can't afford ten million dollar weapons because that is all they have or they don't even have that to begin with, nobody will by them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futan View Post
    Actually, extremely likely. What did you rent do in 2009 when the dollar deflated about half a percent, opposed to increasing the normal 3-5%? It sure as hell didn't go down, if anything, it probably went up. Why? The dollar was worth more then. Greed. Plain and simple. People are greedy and people are impatient. The sellers want to make more and the buyers don't want to wait weeks or months for the market to properly deflate. And when you have 400k, or even in my case, 70k. Paying 200g for a silver ore is nothing. Do you honestly think they're going to cost 20g? Are you that naive? If that's all people are getting for them, no ones going to mine them to sell. Then the supply decreases, and the demand increases as people can't acquire them easily, possibly propelling them OVER the current 200g price temporarily. It may be slightly less than 200g by the end of it but it will never be 20g, unless you're the one selling them.

    Greed will always take priority over logic/sense/"what should be". Politics is the obvious example.
    While there are undoubtedly more flaws, I'll point out the 2 most prominent ones in your post.

    1. You're comparing a half-percent deflation to a digit drop redenomination. You mean to suggest that because prices didn't drop proportionally when the value of a dollar increased by a miniscule value, they won't drop proportionally when the value of gil increases to be 10x as valuable. Do I need to say more, or do you see the extent of this flaw?

    2. I never said they'd necessarily drop to exactly 10%. I'm only sure they will drop, and they will drop significantly in general. I'm also pretty sure no item will be worth exactly 10% of what they are now to match. Again, so much more than the redenomination is working towards the value changes in ARR. However, to suggest that while gil becomes 10x as valuable items will barely drop in price, and to place greed as the primary reason.

    As for the segment I bolded... it shows a chink in your understanding of this redenomination quite clearly. The value of 20g in 2.0 is the same as 200g now. If they mine to sell them at 200 each now, they won't have any trouble doing it for 20g then. If the price is different from 20g eventually it will be more due to the changes in gathering effecting the rate at which silver or is obtained.
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