ARR Gil Cap Reduction

[Rannie]

In theory...



Hmmm, you should go reread the first 90 pages wherin noctis avidly supports the idea that prices will settle at 1/10th. I'm not going to go over this with some raging troll.



Wrong again my friend, there is plenty of demand for low lvl crafting tools on my server. They sell on a daily basis so I'm just going to stop right there and assume the rest of what you say is based on an imaginary world.



Last i checked Yoshi P's official reason for redenomination has something to do with removing arrows from archers. LOL. Can we just let this horse die?

actually he wasn't talking about the market wards dropping to 1/10th he's made mention of npc prices dropping to 1/10 but no one mentioned market wards. We all understand that that is controlled by we the players and not by the game itself. We do know how ever that it would take an idiot to still purchase at pre ARR pricing since we can't hold as much gil and so people will undercut as they've always done to make the quickest sale. That's how it's going to be and that's the way it's always been no matter what game you've played.

Yes, Yoshi mentioned the reason why he's dropping price was because of the arrows but like I've said before. I think that's just an excuse he's given and not the full truth. We've all seen SE say things and do another or things happen and get pushed back, so I wouldn't be surprised if that was just a partial truth and he wasn't saying everything *shrugs*. This "dead horse" keeps getting beaten because new people come in and have a knee jerk reaction to the taking away of a number in their gil even when it's being done to everyone including the poor in this game. So if you want the dead horse to stop being beaten then tell the people who need to be told constantly that in all technically they're not losing money they're gaining value in what money they had instead of vise versa.

I doubt for the wards that the market prices will go down to 1/10 but they will drop because no one will buy anything at old prices if one can even remember old prices at that time when the game comes back up.

[KaplanHomahru]

Yeaaaah Noctis, I "just" figured this out like yesterday and not a year ago when I went around killing NMs for their gear instead of paying market ward prices.

So, you acknowledge that exessive market ward prices for low lvl gear are caused by human greed and lack of crafters producing them and have nothing to do with total money supply in the game yet you continue to believe people will price these items at 1/10th after the redenomination?

I think the huge amount of Gil already in circulation contributes to why everything is priced high. And lack of supply, of course.

[Ferth]

Matsume, no one is arguing that the wards are going to drop to exactly 1/10th of what they are now. But you seem to be avidly arguing that they won't change at all, which is just as absurd.

People have mentioned it numerous times, economies are driven by supply and demand, no one makes lowbie gear, so the few people who do are free to charge whatever they can get away with.

For someone who's sig is full of their ffxi crafting savvy you sure complain a lot about not being able to find something that anyone who spent 30 minutes at a craft could make.

If you don't want to spend 200k for a level 8 item, spend ~3k for it's component pieces, 1k for the weathered tool for it's required craft and put it together yourself... at level one you should have no issue making it. Or see if you have a friend who can make it... you do have friends... right?

[cherevil]

why not leave the gil cap how it is now so the gil not being lowered?

[moriandrio]

This Discussion is pointless. In ARR we will have a totally new situation, market starts from 0 and it will take time till prices gonna be set.

For sure cause there is less gil in the game the prices will be lower, how low they will go is something that depends on alot things we dont know yet so you can't say. All you can do now is wait for ARR, watch the Prices and discuss then why they still so high or low or whatever....

[Shougun]

why not leave the gil cap how it is now so the gil not being lowered?

The gil isnt being lowered in value - its being equally divided to maintain the same value *if an item was the same difficulty to obtain and disregarding player theory an item will cost the same in 1.0 as it does in 2.0.

The cap is being lowered to keep the same cap in %. Technically they could leave the cap, but this would mean they increased the cap.

The cap in respect to the rest of the market hasnt changed.

[NoctisUmbra]

There needs to be a pic of a slowpoke with Matsume written on it.

Also... dear god if I'm actually called a troll again I'm going to lose what little hope I have left in humanity ( or at least the fraction of it that are active on these forums.)

[Matsume]

Matsume, no one is arguing that the wards are going to drop to exactly 1/10th of what they are now. But you seem to be avidly arguing that they won't change at all, which is just as absurd.

People have mentioned it numerous times, economies are driven by supply and demand, no one makes lowbie gear, so the few people who do are free to charge whatever they can get away with.

For someone who's sig is full of their ffxi crafting savvy you sure complain a lot about not being able to find something that anyone who spent 30 minutes at a craft could make.

If you don't want to spend 200k for a level 8 item, spend ~3k for it's component pieces, 1k for the weathered tool for it's required craft and put it together yourself... at level one you should have no issue making it. Or see if you have a friend who can make it... you do have friends... right?

I never argued that prices would stay the same, just that its naive to think they will drop to 1/10th the current prices.

I'm not complaining about some guy charging 200K for an item that cost 2K, jut proving a point that the prices are elevated because people think they can get away with ripping other people off; which will continue after ARR regardless of the redenomination. And yes as noctis pointed out it's already happening.

Yes, I can make the item, and yes I have friends, ones with all crafts at lvl 50 AND all luminary items. Thank you very much.

Also... dear god if I'm actually called a troll again I'm going to lose what little hope I have left in humanity ( or at least the fraction of it that are active on these forums.)

I wasn't calling you a troll, just the guy defending you; besides why do you have any hope in humanity to begin with? I see no reason for such naivete.

[Colino]

Prices will either drop by 1/10th in the wards across the board or they will not drop.

Otherwise, everything else will be equal.

Well... Yeah.

But still everyone wants to play Crystall Ball and predict the future so they can then come back when they were right and boast about it.

[Matsume]

Well... Yeah.

But still everyone wants to play Crystall Ball and predict the future so they can then come back when they were right and boast about it.

I told you already, it's not a crystal ball! It's the chinese art of divination by applying a hot iron poker to turtle shell and interpreting the sounds made by the cracking of the shell! If that fails, augury usually works by interpreting the flight patterns of birds! Sheesh!

I think this thread has out done the regional servers thread.