ARR Gil Cap Reduction

[Shougun]

The redomination has nothing to do with new players truggling to make gil.

Many of us build our small fortunes when we were spamming guildleves and their gil rewards were extremely high, and through different updates (and now Atomos).

Anyone that starts a game late will have currency problems if they don't make any efforts.

Of course the efforts a new player has to make to catch up to the old players who used "abuses" or "expliots" (whichever word you fancy more) will be of disproportional levels.

Like level 1's making millions from Atomos, that's not going to happen ever without an event to be abused like that.

[Duuude007]

Hyude. The amount of wealth you will have in ARR is equal to the amount of wealth you have today. Its just labled differently.

If you refuse to read the logic behind this in the previous pages, I have no way of helping you understand.

[Alerith]

Hyude. The amount of wealth you will have in ARR is equal to the amount of wealth you have today. Its just labled differently.

If you refuse to read the logic behind this in the previous pages, I have no way of helping you understand.

For some reason, he feels he's entitled to something for losing...nothing. It's from a clear lack of understanding and/or reading comprehension.

[Futan]

This is probably going to screw lower levels over more rather than less. The lower priced something is now, the less likely it will even change price. Materials and lower level gear will probably stay around the same because most players even after having their gil reduced, will still have plenty of money to buy those materials and low level gear. Therefore, those new players who are making nothing trying to level their characters will be using awful gear and will be less able to level their crafts. They then get frustrated, and quit. This could be a[nother] game destroying mistake.

Also, you should probably hire some temp GMs the week or month after 2.0 is released due to the shear volume of calls of people, from not only returning players but even current players, thinking their account was hacked because of their missing gil.

[NoctisUmbra]

Just cuz you still have the gil to buy stuff doesn't mean you'll be willing to buy them 10x overpriced.

I have over 4mil now. Elect rum ore goes for about 2k each. I am as likely to buy electrum ore for 2k in ARR, where I'll have 400k, as I am likely to buy it for 20k now.

Not. Very. Likely.

[Alerith]

Just cuz you still have the gil to buy stuff doesn't mean you'll be willing to buy them 10x overpriced.

I have over 4mil now. Elect rum ore goes for about 2k each. I am as likely to buy electrum ore for 2k in ARR, where I'll have 400k, as I am likely to buy it for 10k now.

Not. Very. Likely.

Your sig cracks me up. xD

[NoctisUmbra]

Your sig cracks me up. xD

Yea, I'd honestly stop posting here at this point since I feel enough people have been enlightened and I can't bother to try to educate everyone, but at the same time I'm still screening candidates for my sig.

I kinda see it like Pokemon.

Gotta catch 'em all.

[Futan]

Just cuz you still have the gil to buy stuff doesn't mean you'll be willing to buy them 10x overpriced.

I have over 4mil now. Elect rum ore goes for about 2k each. I am as likely to buy electrum ore for 2k in ARR, where I'll have 400k, as I am likely to buy it for 20k now.

Not. Very. Likely.

Actually, extremely likely. What did you rent do in 2009 when the dollar deflated about half a percent, opposed to increasing the normal 3-5%? It sure as hell didn't go down, if anything, it probably went up. Why? The dollar was worth more then. Greed. Plain and simple. People are greedy and people are impatient. The sellers want to make more and the buyers don't want to wait weeks or months for the market to properly deflate. And when you have 400k, or even in my case, 70k. Paying 200g for a silver ore is nothing. Do you honestly think they're going to cost 20g? Are you that naive? If that's all people are getting for them, no ones going to mine them to sell. Then the supply decreases, and the demand increases as people can't acquire them easily, possibly propelling them OVER the current 200g price temporarily. It may be slightly less than 200g by the end of it but it will never be 20g, unless you're the one selling them.

Greed will always take priority over logic/sense/"what should be". Politics is the obvious example.

[Wynn]

Actually, extremely likely. What did you rent do in 2009 when the dollar deflated about half a percent, opposed to increasing the normal 3-5%? It sure as hell didn't go down, if anything, it probably went up. Why? The dollar was worth more then. Greed. Plain and simple. People are greedy and people are impatient. The sellers want to make more and the buyers don't want to wait weeks or months for the market to properly deflate. And when you have 400k, or even in my case, 70k. Paying 200g for a silver ore is nothing. Do you honestly think they're going to cost 20g? Are you that naive? If that's all people are getting for them, no ones going to mine them to sell. Then the supply decreases, and the demand increases as people can't acquire them easily, possibly propelling them OVER the current 200g price temporarily. It may be slightly less than 200g by the end of it but it will never be 20g, unless you're the one selling them.

Greed will always take priority over logic/sense/"what should be". Politics is the obvious example.

There is a reason the housing market crashed here in the U.S. when the economy tanked. The money wasn't there to buy for the asking prices. Even reducing prices wasn't enough. There was simply not enough money to be had (no lending, lost jobs, etc).

It isn't rocket science. If players can't afford ten million dollar weapons because that is all they have or they don't even have that to begin with, nobody will by them.

[NoctisUmbra]

Actually, extremely likely. What did you rent do in 2009 when the dollar deflated about half a percent, opposed to increasing the normal 3-5%? It sure as hell didn't go down, if anything, it probably went up. Why? The dollar was worth more then. Greed. Plain and simple. People are greedy and people are impatient. The sellers want to make more and the buyers don't want to wait weeks or months for the market to properly deflate. And when you have 400k, or even in my case, 70k. Paying 200g for a silver ore is nothing. Do you honestly think they're going to cost 20g? Are you that naive? If that's all people are getting for them, no ones going to mine them to sell. Then the supply decreases, and the demand increases as people can't acquire them easily, possibly propelling them OVER the current 200g price temporarily. It may be slightly less than 200g by the end of it but it will never be 20g, unless you're the one selling them.

Greed will always take priority over logic/sense/"what should be". Politics is the obvious example.

While there are undoubtedly more flaws, I'll point out the 2 most prominent ones in your post.

1. You're comparing a half-percent deflation to a digit drop redenomination. You mean to suggest that because prices didn't drop proportionally when the value of a dollar increased by a miniscule value, they won't drop proportionally when the value of gil increases to be 10x as valuable. Do I need to say more, or do you see the extent of this flaw?

2. I never said they'd necessarily drop to exactly 10%. I'm only sure they will drop, and they will drop significantly in general. I'm also pretty sure no item will be worth exactly 10% of what they are now to match. Again, so much more than the redenomination is working towards the value changes in ARR. However, to suggest that while gil becomes 10x as valuable items will barely drop in price, and to place greed as the primary reason.

As for the segment I bolded... it shows a chink in your understanding of this redenomination quite clearly. The value of 20g in 2.0 is the same as 200g now. If they mine to sell them at 200 each now, they won't have any trouble doing it for 20g then. If the price is different from 20g eventually it will be more due to the changes in gathering effecting the rate at which silver or is obtained.