ARR Gil Cap Reduction

[Raagnar]

No matter how you spin it the bottom line is the same, they are removing gil from the game. You can make peace with it by saying things will even out and I'll still have the same amount in value.. but this will shake things up because this is one thing he said he would not do. Even if you relabel it, its still gil being deleted. anyone remember the Simpsons? "temporary refund adjustment"

[darkstarpoet1]

No matter how you spin it the bottom line is the same, they are removing gil from the game. You can make peace with it by saying things will even out and I'll still have the same amount in value.. but this will shake things up because this is one thing he said he would not do. Even if you relabel it, its still gil being deleted. anyone remember the Simpsons? "temporary refund adjustment"

oh i agree with you that it is being removed. i was just pointing out 2 things.

1. it's the most fair way to remove gil. i still don't see how losing over 270 mil compared to someone else losing 1 mil is really fair.

2. the people that got rich got there by playing the market for profits. they will still continue to do that. the rich will not automatically become poor because of the change. they will still make 10x the profit of someone else.

[NoctisUmbra]

No matter how you spin it the bottom line is the same, they are removing gil from the game. You can make peace with it by saying things will even out and I'll still have the same amount in value.. but this will shake things up because this is one thing he said he would not do. Even if you relabel it, its still gil being deleted. anyone remember the Simpsons? "temporary refund adjustment"

If you must insist, to avoid further wordplay I'll simplify.

Are they removing gil from the game? It can be interpreted as such, perhaps, since all values are decreasing and the currency name is the same.

Are they removing any wealth from the game? No. Nobody is losing wealth. Everyone is just as rich/poor as they were before.

If you still don't understand how that is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redenomination

[Orophin]

No matter how you spin it the bottom line is the same, they are removing gil from the game. You can make peace with it by saying things will even out and I'll still have the same amount in value.. but this will shake things up because this is one thing he said he would not do.

Actually he said there won't be character wipes. He never said that there wouldn't be a readjustment of gil in circulation.

[HiirNoivl]

actually that is your progress, you have to start the quest pick your weapon then go fight your NM and get your double meld.... thats how the quest begins...

No the quest begins before that. You flag the quest when you choose which weapon you want to get. Then the quest appears in your journal.

We don't know if that step will stay the same. I predict that it will not. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but considering that everything else in that quest will be disappeared, I don't see why this won't change as well.

[Cascade]

No the quest begins before that. You flag the quest when you choose which weapon you want to get. Then the quest appears in your journal.

We don't know if that step will stay the same. I predict that it will not. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but considering that everything else in that quest will be disappeared, I don't see why this won't change as well.

thats what i said..... you pick the weapon you want from the NPC and it starts... in then shows which NM and double meld you need

its not changing

[Raagnar]

Wealth is relative and different for each person so yes in a way they are removing wealth. And this isnt redenomination, there is no face value, there isnt different types of gil. 1 gil = 1 gil before and after 2.0 they are just removing it. You are just assuming ppl will follow suit and lower prices with you but as pointed out the rich will still be rich and dont care if you cant afford their asking price. And im not talking about stupid shit like raptor haunch. things worth while.. like melded gear, im still going to charge whats worth my time and not because they lowered gil costs from vendors.

And if its all the same and makes no difference then why so happy about it being done?

[Shougun]

Wealth is relative and different for each person so yes in a way they are removing wealth. And this isnt redenomination, there is no face value, there isnt different types of gil. 1 gil = 1 gil before and after 2.0 they are just removing it. You are just assuming ppl will follow suit and lower prices with you but as pointed out the rich will still be rich and dont care if you cant afford their asking price. And im not talking about stupid shit like raptor haunch. things worth while.. like melded gear, im still going to charge whats worth my time and not because they lowered gil costs from vendors.

And if its all the same and makes no difference then why so happy about it being done?

All npcs and quests have lowered rewards, your gil is worth a different value in 2.0. They have concentrated the power of the gil per unit of gil basically.

The prices may not jump down right away but it would be foolish to assume the same prices will maintain themselves (if there are no more gil making abuses of course..).

[Raagnar]

Don't assume I think they will stay exactly the same... what im trying to say is the player asking prices will not all be 1/10 and its foolish to think ppl will just automatically follow that rule of thumb. The rich will still get what they want for it and the lower ppl will still be complaining. This isnt changing anything but the total amount in circulation. Its pointless unless all they wanted was a lower number and to give ppl the feeling they are deleting their work.

[Shougun]

Don't assume I think they will stay exactly the same... what im trying to say is the player asking prices will not all be 1/10 and its foolish to think ppl will just automatically follow that rule of thumb. The rich will still get what they want for it and the lower ppl will still be complaining. This isnt changing anything but the total amount in circulation. Its pointless unless all they wanted was a lower number and to give ppl the feeling they are deleting their work.

Over time they would drop. Depending on how loot is in the game and what npcs sell that would also change things.

The rich will stay rich however (aside from bad decision making or a loss in play time they normally invest).

The main thing is that new players wont see the price of a level 60 double meld as 1 trillion and give up. Because there have been many gil exploits through the birth and rise (fall?) of FFXIV, the gil needs to be brought back down to reasonable looking numbers.

Also we could be truthfully losing or gaining money (in %) depending on how they built the economy for 2.0, so its hard to say if we got screwed or won. A straight redenomination however doesnt lose anyone money, just digits to look at.