ARR Gil Cap Reduction

[Resheph]

Seriously? I was making 50mil a month when crab bows and jade crooks were cool.

Admittedly it has become a lot harder to make money since then and I've barely had a retainer in a ward this year because I just can't be bothered with it any more, so I can see why a new player would hold the opinion you have.

These days gil is mainly made through selling lots of small value items rather than high value items like +3 weapons. Sure the relic double melded weapons are expensive, but chances are if you're making those you're buying the materia so the profit is very low. It's just too time consuming to farm the right materia due to the RNG.

But just the other week I made over 22mil just exchanging my guildmarks. Money for literally nothing. I bet most people exchanged theirs without even thinking how to get the most money per mark.

Ugh. I am not a new player. I just don't see the point in having more money than that. At a certain point, just knowing that I can generate gil when I need to is good enough. There is nothing to spend it on anyway.

You know, I don't care if they do either one of the things being debated here. Go on ahead, SE. I'm gonna put on some shades and ride my Goobbue. Done with this thread!

[NefarioCall]

I'd like clarification as well, but alas, it's Saturday.
I think we may have to wait until Monday.

[Ferth]

I understand that my huge wall of text posts are intimidating... but if you can't take the time to read them then I really don't know how to argue the standpoint.

If it is a redenomination of gil NO ONE SUFFERS. The only downside is the effect of looking at your gil and what used to be 7 digits is now 6. It would be like if you kept all of your money in dollar bills under your bed. Then one day you decided to convert all those dollar bills into ten dollar bills. You'd have exactly the same amount of money, you'd just have far fewer actual pieces of paper under your bed.

If this is an actual, thorough redenomination then it's not just your gil that gets condensed, things that you used to be able to vendor for 400 now will vendor for 40, things that used to cost 12000 at the vendor now will cost 1200. Theoretically this change would transfer to the market wards as well. A 75,000gil cobalt winglet becomes a 7500 gil cobalt winglet. the VALUE of items would not shift, just the denomination of gil required to purchase it.

Arguably this is a change that doesn't need to be made, since the only thing it is doing is making the numbers everyone uses smaller. Though in the long run it will allow the overall economy to start in a better place in 2.0.

One would hope that this change is also tied to a complete overhaul in how gil is obtained and introduced into the economy in 2.0 (because frankly, gil is stupid easy to get right now.)

If money is less easy to introduce into the economy from thin air (via vendoring garbage) then prices for items will fluctuate less based on the amount of gil in the game and more on the supply and demand for a given item.

THIS IS A GOOD THING.

If all they are doing is lowering the maximum amount of gil a single person can hold then nothing changes, it fixes nothing, and it's a huge waste of time and energy.

Frankly, the only thing I can say at this point, is if you think that JUST lowering the cap is preferable to redenomination then you just aren't understanding what either option accomplishes.

[Exn]

Why don't they just take the surplus gil from everyone who's 100+M, and spread it out evenly amongst all Legacy players who are under 100M, starting with the poorest... YES! DO THAT SE! GO GO!

[Ricky]

They just don't want people to buy all the new 2.0 stuff like furnishings for the mog house, etc, on the first day

[Ferth]

They just don't want people to buy all the new 2.0 stuff like furnishings for the mog house, etc, on the first day

Actually my guess is that this change is more directed to the new players. when they are trying to save up for new gear they will be far less intimidated if an item costs 2500 than if it costs 25000.

The thing that is mostly likely to occur with redenomination is the lowest tier of items is going to actually go up in price on the player driven market, which theoretically should reduce the amount of items people sell to vendors and increase the reliance on other players to make an income.

With more people relying on other people for money it will drop off the amount of inflation we should experience and it would allow the player driven economy to be much more stable. Which should potentially allow newer players to want to access it sooner.

[PandaTaru]

Sorry but your guess is wrong inflation will still occur and If you think that people with a large bank are the people making low level gear to make gil, you're living in a world full of Teletubbies.. to fix the price of an item, one thing that has worked in the past is to add a NPC selling these items for a reasonable price... it will also help new players make gil by buying from the NPC for cheap and resell them on the will-be-in-v2.0 AH with an extra to other new players.

Also since seems like there's a bunch of people without much gil who seem happy and tell those with large banks to basically SFTU it's good for your face. One thing these people don't seem to understand is that those with the large bank are the people running the economy, not the people with little gil who put junk items at a high price... And they're the people who will buy the overpriced junk items/mats new players will sell at the AH, not the other legacy players with little gil who overprice mats/junk items.

[Ferth]

Sorry but your guess is wrong inflation will still occur and If you think that people with a large bank are the people making low level gear to make gil, you're living in a world full of Teletubbies.. to fix the price of an item, one thing that has worked in the past is to add a NPC selling these items for a reasonable price... it will also help new players make gil by buying from the NPC for cheap and resell them on the will-be-in-v2.0 AH with an extra to other new players.

Also since seems like there's a bunch of people without much gil who seem happy and tell those with large banks to basically SFTU it's good for your face. One thing these people don't seem to understand is that those with the large bank are the people running the economy, not the people with little gil who put junk items at a high price... And they're the people who will buy the overpriced junk items/mats new players will sell at the AH, not the other legacy players with little gil who overprice mats/junk items.

Nothing you said pertains to anything I have said. I never said people with a lot of money were the people making low level gear, I never said inflation wouldn't occur and basically it sounds like everything you've said puts you in the standpoint I'm at. I was just making a guess as to why they'd do this, and that guess was that they'd probably want the in game economy to be in a more standardized place for newer players.

[PandaTaru]

I'm tired and I misread, and I answered more the junk some people wrote than your post, my bad. removing the quote since he doesn't reply to your post specifically. But then re reading what you wrote, if it's hard to make gil to buy an item that's 25000, it will be even harder to make gil if everything sells for much less. Even if the item you want is 10x less expensive. They're just shooting themselves in the foot if they reduce everyone's gil by x10.

[PandaTaru]

Indeed we need more info, clarifications rather. Even if it's "only" psychological, frustration is a powerful emotion. What's really silly is that even with a cap at 99m, or cutting everyone gil by x10, the end high end/rare items will still sell for a lot and people will still try to make a buck overpricing junk items or mats.