Petition: Keep the Animation!~

[Alhanelem]

there is no reason that these jiggles and wiggles should be delaying any actions. they chose not to spend time making it right.

There absolutely is a reason. Unless you want the action to take place before the action's animation even plays, then yes, we do need to wait for the jiggles and wiggles.

[IveraIvalice]

There absolutely is a reason. Unless you want the action to take place before the action's animation even plays, then yes, we do need to wait for the jiggles and wiggles.

im saying that i dont want the action to be preformed before my animation even plays, it sounds like thats what your wanting, because the little extra animations can and should be able to be canceled, which eliminates animation lock.

They are the largest and one of the most successful gaming companies in the world. There is a reason they do the things they do, its not just to piss off whiney gamers that like to cry over animations.

i didnt say that they are just trying to piss people off, what they did was a smart choice, IF they had to choose between polish and gameplay. gameplay wins, theres no doubt. but there is no i repeat NO technical reason why both shouldnt be possible, polish and gameplay can be achieved. they chose gameplay because of time constraints.
they dont have time to do polish and gameplay. thats why they chose what they did.
from a technical standpoint its good, from an overall standpoint, meaning the overall finished game, its not good, it makes the game look unfinished

EDIT: some people are fine with that because there used to it from other games and are more focused on gameplay, which is cool.
but im a 3D artist, i make my living off of those jiggles and wiggles, and its why i got into this industry, for the visuals, and it sucks to see it go, i would really prefer it not to lose that polish. i know im not the only one

[Biggs]

im saying that i dont want the action to be preformed before my animation even plays, it sounds like thats what your wanting, because the little extra animations can and should be able to be canceled, which eliminates animation lock.


i didnt say that they are just trying to piss people off, what they did was a smart choice, IF they had to choose between polish and gameplay. gameplay wins, theres no doubt. but there is no i repeat NO technical reason why both shouldnt be possible, polish and gameplay can be achieved. they chose gameplay because of time constraints.
they dont have time to do polish and gameplay. thats why they chose what they did.
from a technical standpoint its good, from an overall standpoint, meaning the overall finished game, its not good, it makes the game look unfinished

I agree with everything your saying if this was a normal situation in which they had 5 years to work on the game. Given the ridiculious amount of time they recreated this game in from the ground up, I would say that, from what I have seen so far, they did a pretty smokin job in the short time they had to work with. That being said, the developers even stated in the hour long video that they didnt even want to show what they had developed at gamescon because it doesnt accuratly portray what the game will look like a few months from now. Never have I heard a developer say anything close to that during a press conference. I think everyone needs to just relax on the whole issue until AT LEAST the beta begins and we get a better idea what we are looking at as far as a finished product goes. Gamescon was barely a month ago, and it looks like they have a few more months of development before we see a beta.

[IveraIvalice]

I agree with everything your saying if this was a normal situation in which they had 5 years to work on the game. Given the ridiculious amount of time they recreated this game in from the ground up, I would say that, from what I have seen so far, they did a pretty smokin job in the short time they had to work with. That being said, the developers even stated in the hour long video that they didnt even want to show what they had developed at gamescon because it doesnt accuratly portray what the game will look like a few months from now. Never have I heard a developer say anything close to that during a press conference. I think everyone needs to just relax on the whole issue until AT LEAST the beta begins and we get a better idea what we are looking at as far as a finished product goes. Gamescon was barely a month ago, and it looks like they have a few more months of development before we see a beta.

they did do a great job and im excited for ARR, and i respect the dev team greatly for all they've done, i wish i could have been a part of it myself lol.
but it sounds like it was a confimed decision to take out these animations, which sounds like its not in there list of things to do and it wont come back. im hoping that they will see that people do want these animations and choose to allot some extra time to put these back on their task list.
your right that its unfinished and there is still more to be done, but if we wait till beta with no sign of these getting implemented then at that time its most likely too late. best to let them know now so plans can be made in a timely manner

[Biggs]

they did do a great job and im excited for ARR, and i respect the dev team greatly for all they've done, i wish i could have been a part of it myself lol.
but it sounds like it was a confimed decision to take out these animations, which sounds like its not in there list of things to do and it wont come back. im hoping that they will see that people do want these animations and choose to allot some extra time to put these back on their task list.
your right that its unfinished and there is still more to be done, but if we wait till beta with no sign of these getting implemented then at that time its most likely too late. best to let them know now so plans can be made in a timely manner

So you, and everyone else here complaining about it, if this is the final product, are willing to wait another 6 months to a year from march or w/e this was going to launch for them to impliment what your talking about? That would kill business in both the current version of the game, and create a situation in which they would have months of no new content added to 1.0 while we wait for them to add that. I don't understand why people can't grasp that in a ridiculously short development schedule, certain things had to be ignored or not done that would normally have been taken care of with more time in order to meet the deadline they set for the rebuild. You all want years of total development done in the same amount of time with nothing given up in return. Its sort of ludacris. In this particular case maybe they went with content over graphics with what little time they had. If it wasnt this issue and they had gone with something else instead to skip on in order to save time, there would be all sorts of threads bitching about that.

I for one can't say if it payed off or not until i play the finished product, but if that is indeed what was done, I would go with more content over the few miliseconds of animation missing everyone is complaining about. Nothing to do but wait and see. The notion though that we should have it all AND have it in a year seems selfish to me. Considering 1.0's graphics were phenom and the game tanked and here we are now bitching about graphics when instead they are giving us what we asked for (content) seems ass backwards to me. They are damned if they do and damned if they dont.

[IveraIvalice]

So you, and everyone else here complaining about it, if this is the final product, are willing to wait another 6 momths to a year from march or w/e this was going to launch for them to impliment what your talking about? That would kill business in both the current version of the game, and create a situation in which they would have months of no new content added to 1.0 while we wait for them to add that. I don't understand why people can't grasp that in a ridiculously short development schedule, certain things had to be ignored or not done that would normally have been taken care of with more time in order to meet the deadline they set for the rebuild. You all want years of total development done in the same amount of time with nothing given up in return. Its sort of ludacris. In this particular case maybe they went with content over graphics with what little time they had. If it wasnt this issue and they had gone with something else instead to skip on in order to save time, there would be all sorts of threads bitching about that.

I for one can't say if it payed off or not until i play the finished product, but if that is indeed what was done, I would go with more content over the few miliseconds of animation missing everyone is complaining about. Nothing to do but wait and see. The notion though that we should have it all AND have it in a year seems selfish to me. Considering 1.0's graphics were phenom and the game tanked and here we are now bitching about graphics when instead they are giving us what we asked for (content) seems ass backwards to me. They are damned if they do and damned if they dont.

see your off because you assume i want everything now, and funny how you try to explain how development takes time to me. i never once said i wouldnt be ok with them taking more time to complete the game. i think that most people if not everyone here would say that if the game isnt completed or things can be improved to go ahead and take the extra time to do it right, kuz we all know if they have a failed launch again its over. they need to make everything as good as it can be to not only live up to the standard but surpass it so that it actually hooks new players. again dont go saying that im asking for everything. i know the development process better then most, if it was up to me, then i would say to take the time to polish everything.
we waited this long and we all want this game to succeed and our feedback is what they need
cutting parts of the game that were done right to begin with is not the way to improve the game
feedback

EDIT: notice in my previous post that YOU quoted, i said "allot some extra time to put these back on their task list"

[Biggs]

EDIT: notice in my previous post that YOU quoted, i said "allot some extra time to put these back on their task list"

Which is all good except for the part where they gave themselves and the public a deadline that they are trying to meet, and in doing so had to prob make certain tasks a priority over others. In both the gamescon interviews and the translated hour long interview, Yoshi and other developrs comment on how they believe that the scale range for the systems graphics will easily make this a 10 year game, and yet many of you seem to think its a step back. I fail to see what it is you all know that the people that developed the game do not.

WHile I can't say if this has anything to do with the animations, they did say that both demos shown were done using a computer specced out with what was basically the ps3 standard, so none of what we have seen even demonstrates what it will look like on most of our rigs. All I am saying is, express your concerns, for sure, but do it come beta, when they said they will take into account ALL feedback and delay release if an issue comes up they feel will effect the final product. Basing opinions on what has even been stated as a barely viable build for a demo isn't the answer.

[Nemy]

So you, and everyone else here complaining about it, if this is the final product, are willing to wait another 6 momths to a year from march or w/e this was going to launch for them to impliment what your talking about? That would kill business...

You assume too much. You don't know that it would take so long nor that it would kill business if they push the release 6 months later.

And to answer your question, yes i i'd rather wait a significant amount of time than to play with a character that feels stiff and awkward for a decade. Also consider the following : The animation we see in the pre-alpha videos, no matter how they fine tune it, it is already outdated compared to other games. MMO's need to be future-proof, and an FF one even more so because this is what it sells : production quality and immersion.

[Biggs]

You assume too much. You don't know that it would take so long nor that it would kill business if they push the release 6 months later.

And to answer your question, yes i i'd rather wait a significant amount of time than to play with a character that feels stiff and awkward for a decade. Also consider the following : The animation we see in the pre-alpha videos, no matter how they fine tune it, it is already outdated compared to other games. MMO's need to be future-proof, and an FF one even more so because this is what it sells : production quality and immersion.

Thats why minecraft sold millions of copies? Because it looked state of the art? Content and replayability sell MMO's. Wow looks like buttcrack by todays standards and it still has a ridiculous amount of subscribers. Xi still has more than xiv and doesn't look anything like it. I am not assuming you all wouldn't mind waiting longer, thats why i asked the question. I never said "none of you would wait for it" I asked if you were willing to. I don't see anything that makes me feel like this needs more time yet, but then again, I havent played it. I think it looks fantastic as is and don't see what all the fuss is about.

Also, why is it that Yoshida and the rest of the devs keep saying in interviews that it will sport the best graphics of any MMO, and yet you seem to think they are way off base? I am just willing to believe them before I listen to a bunch of random internet heads that dont develope games for a living.

If production and immersion were the only thing needed to sell games, then why the hell does the Call of Duty series make a new damn game every year? Different genres demand different things to keep people playing, and what your saying has its place but, for MMO's and RPG's, its content>graphics/animation. I play outdated RPG's all the time if they still keep me entertained. They tried doing the flashy graphics thing with the first release of this game, and look what it got em.