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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubont View Post
    You miss the point. FF2 still had a way to define your class as a thf or a blm or a whm or whatever.

    7 still had a defined system. Aeris was a whm. Tifa was a mnk. Yuffie was a ninja. It was defined, regardless of what abilities you could customize them with.

    8, same thing as 7.

    In 14...you can give a Gladiator cure from a conjurer...but that Gladiator won't be a "paladin." You can give a Conjurer cure....but it won't be a "white mage." You can make your Con use fire...but it won't be a "black mage." Do you see what I'm saying?
    And in ff7 tifa had a master summon, a master spell and a master tech materia, so Cid, and Cloud. Everyone was able to heal, spam summon, use triple attack. I could give an heal materia to Barret or Yuffie.

    In FF14 you have limits in skills and how they work: a thau/conj can use AOE, a pugilist can use hand to hand skills, etcetc, the others cannot.
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    Last edited by Mr_Gyactus; 03-30-2011 at 09:14 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Gyactus View Post
    And in ff7 tifa had a master summon, a master spell and a master tech materia, so Cid, and Cloud. Everyone was able to heal, spam summon, use triple attack. I could give an heal materia to Barret or Yuffie.

    In FF14 you have limits in skills and how they work: a thau/conj can use AOE, a pugilist can use hand to hand skills, etcetc, the others cannot.
    Do you even read the things you quote? He cleary stated that FF7 had a defined system (like in Aeris as WHM, Tifa as MNK, Yuffie as NIN, regardless of the abilities you could customize them with.

    The guy is NOT talking about the armory system in general. It is fine that you can customize your character, but there is no defined class system! Is it really that hard to understand what the guy is trying to say or are you just doing your best to not understand it? He is not asking you to agree with him, none is, but hell you can at least try to understand someone else point of view in a discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evenstar View Post
    Do you even read the things you quote? He cleary stated that FF7 had a defined system (like in Aeris as WHM, Tifa as MNK, Yuffie as NIN, regardless of the abilities you could customize them with.

    The guy is NOT talking about the armory system in general. It is fine that you can customize your character, but there is no defined class system! Is it really that hard to understand what the guy is trying to say or are you just doing your best to not understand it? He is not asking you to agree with him, none is, but hell you can at least try to understand someone else point of view in a discussion.
    I read but eventually is so difficult to accept I don't agree what the OP say.

    Why can you define yuffie a ninja? Because she equip a shuriken and roleplay a ninja? Why can you define tifa, because her "attack" button uses punch? for their costumes?

    Don't judge the book by its cover. If we are talking about clothes or better, textures, ok. but how you can read from his reply, we are not talking about that.


    Archer =/= Ranger. Why? Well one...it's an archer...

    Pugilist =/= Monk. Why? One...it's a pugilist. Monks could also use their feet. Pugs cannot. Monks were spiritual and could use Chakra. Pugs are brawlers...

    Black Mage =/= Con or Thm. Why? Neither of those say "Black Mage." Black Mages can't use healing spells, most buff spells and can't use light based spells. The opposite goes for a White Mage. Also, the current spells are too under powered to be focused on a specific job. Black Magic Con =/= Black Mage in terms of damage. White Magic Con =/= White Mage in terms of buff power and effectiveness.
    I don't remember Tifa dealing more damage with punches than Aerith for example.
    No one force you to equip an healing skill, and you can raise only int and piety, to deal more damage than a healer (who need to raise mind). And healing from Barrett or Auron was strong as from Aerith or Yuna or Lulu.
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    Last edited by Mr_Gyactus; 03-30-2011 at 11:13 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Gyactus View Post
    I read but eventually is so difficult to accept I don't agree what the OP say.

    Why can you define yuffie a ninja? Because she equip a shuriken and roleplay a ninja? Why can you define tifa, because her "attack" button uses punch? for their costumes?

    Don't judge the book by its cover. If we are talking about clothes or better, textures, ok. but how you can read from his reply, we are not talking about that.
    going off of basic attacks, weapon choices, ability sets without customization and how the character is essentially played. Also: "Yuffie Kisaragi is a secret playable character in Final Fantasy VII. She is a Ninja and a Thief." "Tifa’s stats were designed around the Monk character class from previous Final Fantasy games."
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