This kind of thing has to stop...

[Jennestia]

Dont you mean very few people take the time to try to communicate in a language other than their main..?

No, considering the problem here seems to be with Japanese players, despite popular belief taking the time to actually try and communicate goes a long way. You'll run into very few Japanese people who won't even give a chance if you try communicating, just not google translate communication lol. The AT is still far too limited and terms aren't all the same otherwise more JP would actually use it.

[Reika]

No, considering the problem here seems to be with Japanese players, despite popular belief taking the time to actually try and communicate goes a long way. You'll run into very few Japanese people who won't even give a chance if you try communicating, just not google translate communication lol. The AT is still far too limited and terms aren't all the same otherwise more JP would actually use it.

What I am saying is, JP too often dont try to communicate in a language other than their own. We who care to communicate find ourselves using Google or other translation software if we lack better Japanese speaking ability because the majority of Japanese people dont care to communicate wont. It goes in all directions.

And I know it is not all people who are like this. I know of one JP person on my server who only speaks and understands Japanese, but will use google translate along with me.

[HiirNoivl]

Believe what you want, Jennestia. But I won't expect you to speak English, if you don't expect me to speak Japanese. I have no preference.

When I join, say an SB party like here, I want SB'ed weapons. If you can do that, I don't care if you prefer Esperanto. I'll gladly translate my English into it for you.

JP On(l)y? Haaaaai....

[Phen]

FFXIV: A Realm of Geopolitical Bickering.

You only have to have a clueless german tank or a jp whm that doesnt get gather together to understand the main motivation for preferring communication.

Sorry to interrupt your political discourses.

[Ingolf]

This thread is ridiculous.

I don't know what is worse, the justification that asking for a specific job is the exact same as asking for a certain race of people, or the fact that you honestly think that they are even remotely the same.

You get assholes in every culture, and Japanese people who call for a group and kick for being english/german/french (etc) are assholes.

If you want only Japanese players, then state it. Don't just kick people without a word of justification. Stop defending assholes for being assholes.

Oh and the whole "Europe is basically the same as NA!" had me rolling.

[PSxpert2011]

Honestly, it's causing quite a lot of problems on my server for the late night EN players. Being declined or kicked from parties, not based on our gear, skill or ability to just play the game, but because some people are too lazy to use the auto translate....

@OP: Once you realize that the issue isn't the game and it's actually just dealing with RL people/players, you'll understand the world is like that in general. People either use tools to overcome these obstacles or stick to easier methods of communication.

You'll have to deal with it as you would have to IRL(unless you learn their language), just find a solution or stick to find friendlier players. NOT all players are the same, remove yourself from the online mentality and be more rational. Maturity plays a big part of being in a MMO, player will be people and not NPCs(with is entirely confused some-what).

(if only i can invite npcs to my party, wouldn't that make this mmorpg better?)

The humane approach is understanding how much the world can be self-ish/cruel and much the world can be self-less/ sweet.

Ultimately respect for for other players (especially the pty leader)needs to be given at all times because he/she is thinking of their party and what's best for them. Say "Understood" and move on, who knows.. they'll probably consider you next time in the future!






"This may not be well received by some or understood by many. I was just trying to be poetic in a rookie fashion, though I lack poetic creativity :P"

[Babydoll]

Whoaaa this isn't locked yet :O Haha I am surprised...

It's not about that. While some JP players limit their party to Japanese speaking people only, they mostly accept any class or job as long as you are good at it. EN parties just go "lol melee dps? who needs that in this encounter? gtfo". It's usually the Japanese who prove over and over again that those encounters can be cleared with any job and having fun doing it instead of the rest just sticking to the "safe" setups.

Okay..yes I understand completely what you are saying I think. They are similar in the aspect that both single people out, yes? I realize this..but that is why I also said that everyone can level up all their jobs if they choose. It is a bit different to single people out because of a language that folks can't really learn in a couple weeks, vs leveling a job which is much easier to do.

It really is not that hard...heck, even my boyfriend who hates mage jobs with a passion leveled up BLM for speed runs. He does school/work full time also. BUT not everyone has the time to learn every foreign language in the world...so that was my only point....

Leveling up a job in a game is more understanding then having to learn and entire new language because people won't use the auto translate function or attempt to communicate. Personally I do not really care..people can do what they want and the reason they do it means nothing to me also.

Sorry not trying to fight here or anything...

I don't condone "specific language/race only" or "job only" crap, or whatever it is..its all nonsense to me...I will play with anyone, anytime, anywhere..that is why I am playing FFXIV..I love diversity Invite me to anything and I'm down.

[Soukyuu]

If you want only Japanese players, then state it.

Well... they do... by saying it's "JP only". Except it's backfiring every time. I guess some people just don't realize it, or don't learn.

Stop defending assholes for being assholes.

I'm not. What I'm defending are my Japanese friends who have absolutely no problems with communicating with non-Japanese people that get labeled with the same "xenophobic JP"-tag by some people.

Whoaaa this isn't locked yet :O Haha I am surprised...

It's still Sunday in the US :P

Okay..yes I understand completely what you are saying I think. They are similar in the aspect that both single people out, yes? I realize this..but that is why I also said that everyone can level up all their jobs if they choose. It is a bit different to single people out because of a language that folks can't really learn in a couple weeks, vs leveling a job which is much easier to do.

Yes, learning a language is harder than getting lvl50 on all jobs.

This is going to be long-ish, so i'll put the rest into spoiler tags

What you have to consider is the reasons why learning a language is so hard. Just like Japanese appears hard to you, so does English appear hard to many Japanese. Not only do they use a different alphabet, they are also very different phonetically. That's one of the reasons why for example an American trying to speak Japanese for the first time will mess up completely, same for Japanese speaking English.

Now comes the cultural difference: while in most Western countries it's believed to better be able to somehow do something even if it's bad, the Eastern culture seems to have a mindset of "doing it correctly, or do not bother entirely". Which leads to people who have a gift for learning a language learning English, while the rest just knows a few words.

not everyone has the time to learn every foreign language in the world...so that was my only point....

That's right.. and no one expects you to. They merely tell you they want people who can speak Japanese only... if you don't, don't join, why get up in flames over it?

For some reason people interpret that as a personal insult of some sort. It just happened that English has become a de facto "world language", but that doesn't mean you can expect everyone to speak it... just like you can't expect everyone to speak any language.

Sorry not trying to fight here or anything...

I don't condone "specific language/race only" or "job only" crap, or whatever it is..its all nonsense to me...I will play with anyone, anytime, anywhere..that is why I am playing FFXIV..I love diversity Invite me to anything and I'm down.

You don't have to be so defensive about it, though I can't blame you for reacting this way seeing the general mood of this thread.

I'm not claiming whatever I wrote to be the absolute truth, it's merely my opinion.

[TomCarroll]

If it's such a big concern to people, they should just separate English-speaking servers from Japanese. It'll solve all of these problems.

[Elexia]

If it's such a big concern to people, they should just separate English-speaking servers from Japanese. It'll solve all of these problems.

Then create new ones, like servers being dead at x hour lol.