Gear Score, in my ARR?

[Allcars]

As the raids get harder in WoW over various patchs your healers need better gear to keep up with higher incoming damage from bosses. Main healing stats would be, INT (more Mana and bigger heals), Spirit (Mana Regen), Haste (faster casts), (crit, chance for a heal to crit and do more healing).

As gear got better the number of stats on them were higher. Couldn't go into like the a final tier expansion raid with a healer who just hit level cap without any raid gear because it would be impossible for them to be successful, they would either, run out of mana, not have enough INT to heal incoming damage, or the mana regain to sustain themselves throughout the fight.

Yeah so having dungeon requirements on gear before you can enter is alright with me, but when you have players telling you can't go to the raid because your gear isn't good enough, but the gear you would get from that raid wouldn't even match that gearscore this group is requesting for.

[Zumi]

Yeah so having dungeon requirements on gear before you can enter is alright with me, but when you have players telling you can't go to the raid because your gear isn't good enough, but the gear you would get from that raid wouldn't even match that gearscore this group is requesting for.

From what I seen people who do that are making the raid because, A. they want to be carried and don't have the gear themselves. B. They are farming the zone for some legendary quest items which they want to reserve for themselves, in addition they want the run to go fast so people helping them must have better gear then the zone drops. People who do this really don't get that many people to join their group because they usually get called out in the trade chat channel for asking for a higher ilvl then the zone drops.

With dungeon finder and raid finder Blizzard sets the entry ilvl to queue up about 12 item levels below what the zone drops. This can't be changed by players so as long as they meet the requirements they can get a group.

[Ricky]

People will misuse any tool given to them, you can't blame the tool for the actions of the one using it. Of course people will have inflated requirements for dungeons and whatnot based on the gear score but that is just the player being an idiot. I think it's a very useful tool to at a glance see if someone has completed the previous content and gotten gear from it to help them with the current, or to see if they have put any effort into being the best they can.

[HiirNoivl]

Yeah so having dungeon requirements on gear before you can enter is alright with me, but when you have players telling you can't go to the raid because your gear isn't good enough, but the gear you would get from that raid wouldn't even match that gearscore this group is requesting for.

Yeah but then again, that's what Linkshells are for. You can't make a pickup party and start putting dumb demands on people. That's just... dumb...

Anyway, another benefit to this idea of a gear score requirement of certain content, is that it actually gives some guidence on the content. Right now, we're pretty much on our own to figure out exactly what gear is best for what content. And someone who is new to the game won't waste gil on gear that won't give them the points they need. It would make it easier on them

Some people might get upset that this may box in the community when it comes to "creative" clearing of content (like swimsuit runs wouldn't work under this scenario.)

[Deakka]

I support gearscore in theory, but not how the player base utilizes it. It's supposed to be a baseline as to what content you should be able to do. However, in WoW's case, it created another artificial barrier for pug groups (who oftentimes asked for incredible gear scores for content 2-3 tiers below what that gearscore should be at).

With the content finder, if it works anything like WoW's current dungeon/raid finder, then it becomes a moot point. The system itself will have that gate set to an appropriate level for the content in question. The only issue you'll have to deal with is mouth breathers in Ul'dah looking for 5k gear scores for 3k gear score content for live world pugs.

[Zumi]

I support gearscore in theory, but not how the player base utilizes it. It's supposed to be a baseline as to what content you should be able to do. However, in WoW's case, it created another artificial barrier for pug groups (who oftentimes asked for incredible gear scores for content 2-3 tiers below what that gearscore should be at).

With the content finder, if it works anything like WoW's current dungeon/raid finder, then it becomes a moot point. The system itself will have that gate set to an appropriate level for the content in question. The only issue you'll have to deal with is mouth breathers in Ul'dah looking for 5k gear scores for 3k gear score content for live world pugs.

I could see that happening. For example they will probably have redesign zones for the relic quest I imagine. People will have to farm whatever raids to get their drops for relic that's all they care about they don't care about the gear. So they will shout for people with higher gearscore then what the zone drops because all they care about getting their relic quest done faster.

[Orophin]

I didn't care for gear score in WoW because the one thing it can't calculate is player skill. While you don't need multiple characters in FFXIV, in WoW you could only play one class per character, and if people didn't know your alts, you were screwed if you weren't ALREADY WEARING gear that drops from the raid people were trying to pug.

Since I think most people will play all classes on one character, it's still going to come down to your reputation on your own server whether you'll get invited having a gear score deemed not good enough. In the dungeon finder groups, people may just inspect you and arbitrarily boot you if they feel your gear score isn't good enough.

[Deakka]

Yeah, I personally like to believe that the FFXIV community is above that. The forum posters certainly appear to be. Yet stepping into Ul'dah and seeing someone attempt to build blm stacked parties for easy content makes me wary >.>

[Zumi]

Yeah, I personally like to believe that the FFXIV community is above that. The forum posters certainly appear to be. Yet stepping into Ul'dah and seeing someone attempt to build blm stacked parties for easy content makes me wary >.>

Yea I remember all the blm garuda burns before they patched it. "Need BLM for garuda must have double/triple melds." People will always look for the easiest way to do stuff. People spammed blm burn on garuda got full weapon sets then post patch a lot less people do it.

Heck people still only want to stack blms for stuff like Ifrit.

[Deakka]

My deepest hope is that if Yoshi-P takes anything from blizzard, it's a "Bring the Player, Not the Class" mentality. It doesn't solve the gearscore issue aside from changing "LF1M BLM Titan, 5k gear score with relic onry" to "LF1M DPS Titan, 5k gear score with relic onry"