Realm Reborn = downgrade?

[Shura]

If you read my earlier posts in this thread you know I'm one of those people who want the high quality animation to be present in ARR, that being said i thought i would point out a recent dev reply since no one else has done so yet. In the JP section a question was asked in regards to why weapon animation was left out when switching between passive/active mode in the video (didn't even notice) and the dev replied saying it's because its still in development but the final release will have weapon animation like the current version. While this reply is in regards to weapon animation, it still gives me hope since we now know some animations were left out on purpose because of the build version and hopefully the movement animation is also one of them.

I do urge people to continue discussing issues and voice concerns though and not simply wait till Alpha or Beta. This is indeed pre-alpha but most of us won't get into Alpha and Alpha has limited testers, the nature of the beast really. So i don't understand the mentality of waiting for something u might not get in to or simply assuming those who do will voice your concerns. Good chance we probably won't even see Alpha leaks since leaking means losing your current account and not just test privilege, not many people will risk that. Then comes Beta but Beta builds are usually near finished product, at this point they are simply doing large scale server tests and progression tests, they might make small changes such as mob lv or difficulty but game changing mechanics usually do not happen at this late stage.

ARR is a bit different from other MMO development since its progressing at a higher then normal speed, less 4 months till the anticipated open beta/launch and we still have not started Alpha testing, which most likely wont start till October so its really 3 months between Alpha and open beta/launch.(assuming Launch takes as long as early 2013) There won't be anyone else to blame this time around, sure SE messed up big the first time but so did we, i remember all the white knighting on FFXIVCore every time an issue was brought up; "Its still in development", "Final won't be like that" "Stop complaining about unfinished product" Lets not repeat this again please^^

[Nemy]

So by "aggressive scrutinising" you mean

...a community that does not lay back saying "well, it might be this way... but not really sure... since this is pre-alpha... let's start talking about it in alpha but scrutinising every bit of information we can have, making our views known about the possible outcomes, and ask for clarifications

The following, is you trying to misrepresent my views / intentions. Stop that.

to offend and make all the work the new team has done in a year and a half, (a god send imo) calling it a "Typical Korean MMO". Gtfo right, you don't have to like anything but when you start discrediting something they have spent a year and a half fixing a glitchy buggy game for US to play like it should of?

Strawman.

Strawman everywhere.

I can't take you seriously anymore.

You never did.

You are not going about this the correct way anymore, you are playing defensively and offensively that it is just offensive to something that deve's have put there life into for the past year into, making a new engine and then building a new game off of it...

I'm offending the devs that have put there life into.... Really? No i'm not going to drop to your level accusing you of being a fan boy. Never. No matter how much i want to.

you have been making false claims just to back up your opinion.

Wtf are you even talking about. Care to give me an example of a "false claim" to back my opinion?

They made FFXIV 1.0 Amazing! Playable! Enjoyable!

Wait, are you talking about the transition from 1.0 to 2.0, or the current state of FFXIV? Because either way, you make no sense.

If you're talking about the transition from 1.0 to 2.0, you must sense the irony here, disregarding my concern as pre-alpha

If you're talking about the current state of FFXIV, if the game is already "Amazing! Playable! Enjoyable!", then why do you think they're rebuilding the whole game from the ground up, in the first place?

Seriously show some decorum in your posts.

...says the guy who just said i sound like a

a spoiled rotten kid

No, thanks. I'd rather make sense. If i hurt your feelings in the process, so be it.

You sound like you're genuinely mad at me. Like a kid who's trying to defend its future Christmas present, from anyone that could imply there's something going to be wrong with it. You didn't address my original argument regarding your negative role in this thread, yet you threw a semi-irrelevant tantrum, misrepresenting my views/intentions along the way.

(clarification : when i say negative role, i mean being against the existence of this thread, not having a different opinion than me on the thread's subject)

[Xmbei]

...a community that does not lay back saying "well, it might be this way... but not really sure... since this is pre-alpha... let's start talking about it in alpha but scrutinising every bit of information we can have, making our views known about the possible outcomes, and ask for clarifications

The following, is you trying to misrepresent my views / intentions. Stop that.



Strawman.

Strawman everywhere.




You never did.



I'm offending the devs that have put there life into.... Really? No i'm not going to drop to your level accusing you of being a fan boy. Never. No matter how much i want to.



Wtf are you even talking about. Care to give me an example of a "false claim" to back my opinion?



Wait, are you talking about the transition from 1.0 to 2.0, or the current state of FFXIV? Because either way, you make no sense.

If you're talking about the transition from 1.0 to 2.0, you must sense the irony here, disregarding my concern as pre-alpha

If you're talking about the current state of FFXIV, if the game is already "Amazing! Playable! Enjoyable!, then why do you think they're rebuilding the whole game from the ground up, in the first place?



...says the guy who just said i sound like a



No, thanks. I'd rather make sense. If i hurt your feelings in the process, so be it.

You sound like you're genuinely mad at me. Like a kid who's trying to defend its future Christmas present, from anyone that could imply there's something going to be wrong with it. You didn't address my original argument regarding your negative role in this thread, yet you threw a semi-irrelevant tantrum, misrepresenting my views/intentions along the way.

(clarification : when i say negative role, i mean being against the existence of this thread, not having a different opinion than me on the thread's subject)

lolololol ahahahhahaha oh uh sorry what were you saying? I am sorry I can't stop laughing please continue.

Edit: Also negative role? I have only been posting constructive criticisms for the side saying wait for Alpha but you keep throwing us under the bus like our opinion doesn't matter because it doesn't match yours and brings negativity into it. I only seemed genuinely mad because you don't actually read what we write. Sure you read it, but you don't understand it, your mind goes jumping across a field of roses that match your opinion. You then pick and choose parts of peoples quotes if either it supports you and post it on your OP making your OP no longer your words or opinions but forcing everyone elses down everyone elses throat in just the first post. Please let people read the thread and have their own opinion.... Please. You are trying to heavily offset the balance of this discussion onto your side, by saying all of us for Alpha Testing Feedback/Live Producer Letter and such are being negative. When you are being just as offensive to us.... If that does not clarify my words in my last post.... I don't know what will.

[Felis]

It's not the exactly topic, but it is similar

http://goo.gl/aO9IT - saz is saying the images, video's of 2.0 game play shows characters AF weapon without the folding, transforming animation. The weapons stay at already opened state. Triairy saying it's still development stages so currently it's set this way but on final version it will be like now where it transforms.

[Nemy]

Edit: Also negative role? I have only been posting constructive criticisms for the side saying wait for Alpha but you keep throwing us under the bus like our opinion doesn't matter because it doesn't match yours and brings negativity into it. I only seemed genuinely mad because you don't actually read what we write. Sure you read it, but you don't understand it, your mind goes jumping across a field of roses that match your opinion. You then pick and choose parts of peoples quotes if either it supports you and post it on your OP making your OP no longer your words or opinions but forcing everyone elses down everyone elses throat in just the first post. Please let people read the thread and have their own opinion.... Please. You are trying to heavily offset the balance of this discussion onto your side, by saying all of us for Alpha Testing Feedback/Live Producer Letter and such are being negative. When you are being just as offensive to us.... If that does not clarify my words in my last post.... I don't know what will.

lolololol ahahahhahaha oh uh sorry what were you saying? I am sorry I can't stop laughing please continue.

See i can do that too, but it doesn't mean a thing. How it works, is you first reply on specific points, show how and why they're laughable, and if you don't really care about showing some decorum you can also go lololohahaha rolling eyes-IRC 12yo-style.

You really need the first part.

Also,

pre-alpha game play... nuff said.

or

There is no argument or discussion, its a video footage of incomplete gameplay footage, it hasn't been fine tuned yet, if it is not improved by alpha or beta release then you can provide feedback.

...is not constructive criticism, but simply dismissing the thread as useless, since its still pre-alpha.

Learn the difference.

[Xmbei]

lolololol ahahahhahaha oh uh sorry what were you saying? I am sorry I can't stop laughing please continue.

See i can do that too, but it doesn't mean a thing. How it works, is you first reply on specific points, show how and why they're laughable, and if you don't really care about showing some decorum you can also go lololohahaha rolling eyes-IRC 12yo-style.

You really need the first part.

Also,



or




...is not constructive criticism, but simply dismissing the thread as useless, since its still pre-alpha.

Learn the difference.

oh I am sorry I didn't realize stating my opinion on the discussion and how I think it should be handled is so offensive to you..... Shall I go and make amends to them praising you for making this thread.... you asked for opinions, you get them. Followed by a dismissal by you, because we are not on your side.

edit: and I didn't need to quote specific parts because the whole thing was laughable and proved my point.

[Elexia]

oh I am sorry I didn't realize stating my opinion on the discussion and how I think it should be handled is so offensive to you..... Shall I go and make amends to them praising you for making this thread.... you asked for opinions, you get them. Followed by a dismissal by you, because we are not on your side.

edit: and I didn't need to quote specific parts because the whole thing was laughable and proved my point.

Something something welcome to FFXIV forums something.

[Xmbei]

Something something welcome to FFXIV forums something.

We could do with some more somethings! Because something is better than nothing (well in most cases lol)

[Nemy]

oh I am sorry I didn't realize stating my opinion on the discussion and how I think it should be handled is so offensive to you..... Shall I go and make amends to them praising you for making this thread.... you asked for opinions, you get them. Followed by a dismissal by you, because we are not on your side.

I never said it was offensive to me. You keep misrepresenting me. I just asked you, no matter what your opinion is, what is the downside of making our views known and ask for clarification early on ?

If your opinion is that the issue should be handled by not making this thread at the current time, simply answer the question.

That's all.

The rest is you being mad.

edit: and I didn't need to quote specific parts because the whole thing was laughable and proved my point.

Didn't =/= didn't need.

I don't think my post was laughable, and since it wasn't objectively laughable, you still need to show why it was laughable to you, instead of lolololololohahahahaha-ing, if you want to have some credibility in this already derailed conversation.

[Xmbei]

...a community that does not lay back saying "well, it might be this way... but not really sure... since this is pre-alpha... let's start talking about it in alpha but scrutinising every bit of information we can have, making our views known about the possible outcomes, and ask for clarifications

Laughable 1: You assume we are just laying back and letting things happen when we already stated we care about the game we just don't think this is the appropriate time.

The following, is you trying to misrepresent my views / intentions. Stop that.

Laughable 2: I was misrepresenting your views, like you do for everyones post you quote on here. You stop that m'kay. Secondly, You have stated numerous times that they are just dumbing it down and not putting in the effort and just copy pasting a Korean MMO. (Seriously, that might not be what you meant. Though, that is exactly how you have been coming across when you say it. It is offensive to us the supportive players of this team and the Dev team themselves because they have been working their butt of to do this for us.)

Strawman.

Strawman everywhere.

Laughable 3: I am sorry what? It is a strawman to bring up that they the Dev's and their team have been working there butt off to give us an enjoyable game play on 1.0 while also building a whole new game from the basics up, and you are not giving them credit to the work they have done. By saying they have been lazy because they don't have your piece of animation in the game yet.

You never did.

Laughable 4: I have actually, for the discussion. But as you said in your last quote in this response, Strawman's everywhere in this whole thread by Everyone.

I'm offending the devs that have put there life into.... Really? No i'm not going to drop to your level accusing you of being a fan boy. Never. No matter how much i want to.

Laughable 5: Yes you are offending them saying that the work they have been doing for the past year is on the same scale as a copy paste Korean MMO. Along with accusing them of not putting in the effort, when they clearly have and are clearly not finished even from their own mouths.

Wtf are you even talking about. Care to give me an example of a "false claim" to back my opinion?

Laughable 6: Again part of the same flow of brain thought following the Korean MMO accusations you have been making a lot recently. Why is this laughable, because you seperated them like they were seperate thoughts when they were all part of the same thought. Reading Comprehension: Need of Improvement.

Wait, are you talking about the transition from 1.0 to 2.0, or the current state of FFXIV? Because either way, you make no sense.

If you're talking about the transition from 1.0 to 2.0, you must sense the irony here, disregarding my concern as pre-alpha

If you're talking about the current state of FFXIV, if the game is already "Amazing! Playable! Enjoyable!", then why do you think they're rebuilding the whole game from the ground up, in the first place?

Laughable 6: I was clearly talking about the evolution of FFXIV 1.0 since I haven't played 2.0 yet to form an opinion on that magnitude yet. Reading Comprehension: Again in need of Improvement

...says the guy who just said i sound like a

Laughable 7: If you actually finished reading this post you quoted, you would notice I pointed out the irony. Reading Comprehension: Needs to Completely read to understand hence my other edit post you later quoted me on when I said "hopefully this explains my last post" I had to explain it 2x because it didn't sink in, which is why I also said in the edit, it might never sink in.

No, thanks. I'd rather make sense. If i hurt your feelings in the process, so be it.

Laughable 8: No feelings hurt, but I must point out you haven't made sense or added to this discussion since page 3.

You sound like you're genuinely mad at me. Like a kid who's trying to defend its future Christmas present, from anyone that could imply there's something going to be wrong with it. You didn't address my original argument regarding your negative role in this thread, yet you threw a semi-irrelevant tantrum, misrepresenting my views/intentions along the way.

Laughable 9: I wasn't mad ;D. I might of been frustrated, by to follow up this laughable, by you saying we "pre-alpha" speakers are a negative role in this thread. I am proud also to admit that I am really looking forward to playing 2.0 so if I have to be degraded to a little kid on Christmas, fine I will be and enjoying playing the game when I get it ;D.

Laughable 10: Since this one deserves 2. I don't think you have represented your own views correctly, since your OP. Since all you have been doing since then is say everyone is either negative, or having to use someone else's quotes and views as your own, because you can't formulate it yourself.

(clarification : when i say negative role, i mean being against the existence of this thread, not having a different opinion than me on the thread's subject)

Laughable 11: I have never called for this thread to not exist or be closed or that this is not a genuine concern, ever in this thread. I have only stated that We don't have all the facts and should wait till we actually see how it plays first. You can't base how it plays off a unfinished, unwanted demo video. I am sure if they didn't release it and went just into Alpha or gave us the video they wanted to really show us and wasn't force rushed to appease stockholders. We probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

Was that sufficient enough for you on a detailed analysis of your post? If not I can try harder, but then that is just fishing for drama that both of us know we don't want and has not positive impact on this thread.

So since I have to state it over AGAIN. Yes I want those animations back and hope they implement them. I am going to wait till I can formulate a proper well rounded feedback by actually participating in a phase of testing, which is what that is meant for exactly. The current forums have only been for feed back to the team about FFXIV 1.0 not 2.xx. They have not started asking for critiques and feedback on 2.0 because it is not at the stage yet to get feedback from yet. We were just lucky enough to even get to see gameplay. when Yoshi has stated numerous times he is not ready to show it, then the next week he he does at Gamescom? I since more of an Upper-Management Stockholders hands in the mess again which led to the rushed release of 1.0. So I have not lost faith in Yoshi and his team to give us the exact game all of us expect to receive. We just have to worry about greedy Stockholders rushing them faster than possible again, without them finishing the stages that need to at appropriate times and give us the game they deem releasable.

Hopefully that lets you understand my standing on this situation, is that negative in your opinion? I think it is on your side of the argument I just prefer to wait till testing. If it is still negative, I am sorry I don't conform to your ways of Positive input. Like I have said, you asked for peoples opinions, I gave it. Apparently that was not enough for you.