Realm Reborn = downgrade?

[IveraIvalice]

I'm indifferent to the animations. I frankly only really notice them when I'm trying to stand in a particular place, such as the White Mage spots in Ifrit, Coincounter, etc. It's apparent because I'm trying to nudge forward just a little bit, but my character makes a huge, unnecessary animation for the process.

I like the inertia animations, as they're animated well, but their presence feels sluggish, so I couldn't care less if they were removed. If Square-Enix somehow decides to keep them, whatever, but they still make me have awful control over my character, then it's a problem.

He's got a point I play as a mage and that stumble portion is very annoying because you're trying to cast as quickly as possible and seeing the whole "you can't cast while moving" gets to be a pain in the ass (especially as a whm trying to run through a dungeon keeping the tank alive)

i understand what you both are saying. i main whm and am asked to do it on almost everything i do, and i prefer it so i know all the things whms have to do. i agree when fighting ifrit it is alittle difficult to find your spot because of the little extra step especially on the left side. however in dungeons, the whole move to cancel system is what makes that difficult, im fine with move to cancel or not but that has definatly made it more difficult to be a whm in dungeons, i dont see it as much as a animation thing. i have not noticed the problem with stoping and casting a spell and it says that your still moving.
but as you can see in the gameplay videos, the character is stoping completely, the addition of a polish animation that stops you doesnt have to make you continue moving. i believe it was a server thing that caused that issue.
but with the new engine it should be nothing but a visual of you stoping, meaning that when you stop moving, the character actually doesnt move any more, but the animation will look like he or she is slowing to a stop when techniqually its not.
these are all things that they can do with the new engine

[Rannie]

i understand what you both are saying. i main whm and am asked to do it on almost everything i do, and i prefer it so i know all the things whms have to do. i agree when fighting ifrit it is alittle difficult to find your spot because of the little extra step especially on the left side. however in dungeons, the whole move to cancel system is what makes that difficult, im fine with move to cancel or not but that has definatly made it more difficult to be a whm in dungeons, i dont see it as much as a animation thing. i have not noticed the problem with stoping and casting a spell and it says that your still moving.
but as you can see in the gameplay videos, the character is stoping completely, the addition of a polish animation that stops you doesnt have to make you continue moving. i believe it was a server thing that caused that issue.
but with the new engine it should be nothing but a visual of you stoping, meaning that when you stop moving, the character actually doesnt move any more, but the animation will look like he or she is slowing to a stop when techniqually its not.
these are all things that they can do with the new engine

I honestly don't know on that seeing as how I'm not a programmer or anything but to me it always seemed that the movement was the animation and it still showed you as moving. I'll agree if they can seperate the two that would be fine but *shrugs* I don't know how exactly that could be done given the limited space they would have especially incorporating it all into the ps3 version. But Like I said I'm not a programmer or a game designer so I don't know

[Elexia]

Regardless though, the main problem was the useless amount of server checks and shaders used. All they had to do was fix that and everything is peachy, I mean, not even in an MMO they created in 2001 have you ground to a stop to check someone's bazaar.

[Rokien]

an update, few more people posted

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/foru...rst#post141750

[Zaireeka2025]

I honestly don't know on that seeing as how I'm not a programmer or anything but to me it always seemed that the movement was the animation and it still showed you as moving. I'll agree if they can seperate the two that would be fine but *shrugs* I don't know how exactly that could be done given the limited space they would have especially incorporating it all into the ps3 version. But Like I said I'm not a programmer or a game designer so I don't know

Not a hard to thing to code actually since ARR already shows a separation of legs and torso movement independent of each other. All the devs have to do is allow the legs to animate a fluid stop while the stop is already registered, allowing for the upper torso to already begin its casting animation while the feet are in mid-stop animation. Done.

[IveraIvalice]

One thing I want to convey to this community is the simple fact that the missing animations do matter. Why should they, right?

As a FF fan since its first release in the 80's, I've grown with the series through its good times and its bad. I understand what a FF game is, as do many in this forum. SE knows this, and listens to its fans because we are the product of a multi-generational brand. SE also knows that part of what makes a FF game a FF game is the graphics. SE has prided themselves in amazing graphics ever since consoles could boast them. If the look and feel of the world of each FF game didn't appeal so strongly, they wouldn't ever bother and just focus on gameplay. But no, this is FF. And FF games have gorgeous visuals. It's so important, in fact, that in many of their surveys, one of the questions asking what you (the player) looks forward to most always contains an option to mark the graphics as a reason for enjoying the game. Example:

What are you looking forward to most in FFXIV?

a. Quests
b. Storyline and Lore
c. Graphics
d. Gameplay
e. Crafting and Gathering
f. Partying
g. etc etc etc

Graphics are always considered as something as important to SE as the rest. The way their games look appeal strongly to their brand as a FF game.

For those of you comparing NES games, let's not forget that although we did enjoy those games back then for their great gameplay, we are living in 2012 now, not 1985. It is unlike a FF game to release a game with corners cut in the graphics department.

*Another reminder: I am not saying ARR looks bad. It looks beautiful and has wonderful graphics, but along with those graphics, the visuals in the animation department are lacking compared to what FFXIV 1.xx spoiled us with. SE, don't copout with a lame excuse of gameplay vs animation. You can do both.

exactly, FF is a series know for its graphics and also its story telling. the animations and graphics were things that were done amazingly in 1.0, without these in the current version its lacking a key part of what made FF a great series.
gameplay is definetly important and its difficult getting that from an mmo when other things are more demanding then a single player game, but graphics and animations are things that can and should remain true in single player and mmos.

its also true that graphics and animations are not everything, and they are not what makes a game fun, but they do play a big part in the overall game. in the older days that was not expected of us because of technology at the time, but since that has evolved so has our expectation of games with this reputation.

i will say that i dont have much mmo experience, i tried a few and i didnt like almost any of them, but i did like ffxi because it was the only one that gave me what i was looking for. because mmos are an entire world to explore and adventure in, i always wanted a believable world, and only ffxi gave me that experience. i think if it wasnt for the animations and the attention to detail of characters and the world, im not sure i would have stuck with it either.
even knowing that graphics and animations aren't everything and they dont affect "fun" it was definatly something that played a part in my overall enjoy-ability in the game i played as an mmo

[Rannie]

an update, few more people posted

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/foru...rst#post141750

What does this have to do with the price of tea in china?

[Rannie]

Not a hard to thing to code actually since ARR already shows a separation of legs and torso movement independent of each other. All the devs have to do is allow the legs to animate a fluid stop while the stop is already registered, allowing for the upper torso to already begin its casting animation while the feet are in mid-stop animation. Done.

Ok I'll take you at your word for it LOL. Like I said I honestly don't know anything about that... Connection and crap like that I know a fair amount but hell I tried to learn c++ on my own and couldn't even install the compiler/editor on my computer at the time. was really weird

[KiriA500]

Not a hard to thing to code actually since ARR already shows a separation of legs and torso movement independent of each other. All the devs have to do is allow the legs to animate a fluid stop while the stop is already registered, allowing for the upper torso to already begin its casting animation while the feet are in mid-stop animation. Done.

Oh, it's that easy?

[IveraIvalice]

I honestly don't know on that seeing as how I'm not a programmer or anything but to me it always seemed that the movement was the animation and it still showed you as moving. I'll agree if they can seperate the two that would be fine but *shrugs* I don't know how exactly that could be done given the limited space they would have especially incorporating it all into the ps3 version. But Like I said I'm not a programmer or a game designer so I don't know

im not a programmer either, but i am a 3D artist for games. so im a game developer but on the art side not the tech side, but because of my job i do work with alot of programmers closely, and i can only tell you from my experience working with them directly.
this should all be possible, the only problem is the time it takes to do it, which if it was up to me, i would say give them the time to have great polished animations and gameplay. since this is the last shot their going to have with this game and it needs to be perfect, in every way that it can, it needs to be done right, not like the first time
in 1.0 they focused on graphics and visuals and lacked gameplay and tech. but this time there focusing on tech and lacking the animations. its all got to be there not one or the other