Realm Reborn = downgrade?

[Tak]

The internet: Where people complain for no reason and then try and justify it.

[neorei]

small foot movement don't really matter to me, but it does give a bit of a flare when you're playing ffxiv. What really matters and people are overlooking is the amazing job OVERALL that yoshi did. Hell, even 1.0 in it's current state is better than most MMORPGs out there. I'm sure Yoshi-p will have some good shit for us.

[Nemy]

Plugging your ears and ignoring everyone who doesn't agree with you doesn't constitute as a "discussion."

Posting a "OH LOOK it's THIS thread again" pic followed by an amazingly fallacious reply in full caps including the word "WAH" in repetition doesn't constitute as "a counter-argument i need not to ignore in order for this discussion to be constructive"

Here, let me show you what a constructive counter-argument that i can't ignore looks like :

Pretty sure it's intentional. Current animations are pleasant to look at, yes, but they don't allow quick maneuvers like strafing, which are necessary for PvP encounters. I assume this is the reason they've decided to make animations more WoW-like.

FFXIV, as XI, were, and always intended to be PVE games. PVP was just a nice addition. The majority of their target group focuses on PVE, and in my opinion, ruining one of the best aspects of the game just because it's not convenient for PVP is one of the biggest mistakes they're going to make if this is indeed intentional.

I enjoyed Ballista too, but if i wanted to play a PVP game i would certainly not play XI or XIV.

You don't take steps back on fundamental aspects such as animation to allow something that most of your target group originally didn't asked for, and if you do, at least be serious about it and REALLY incorporate PVP into the game, make open world PVP servers available etc..

Thank you for your constructive criticism on my thread.

[Firon]

Posting a "OH LOOK it's THIS thread again" pic followed by an amazingly fallacious reply in full caps including the word "WAH" in repetition doesn't constitute as "a counter-argument i need not to ignore in order for this discussion to be constructive"

Here, let me show you what a constructive counter-argument that i can't ignore looks like :




FFXIV, as XI, were, and always intended to be PVE games. PVP was just a nice addition. The majority of their target group focuses on PVE, and in my opinion, ruining one of the best aspects of the game just because it's not convenient for PVP is one of the biggest mistakes they're going to make if this is indeed intentional.

I enjoyed Ballista too, but if i wanted to play a PVP game i would certainly not play XI or XIV.

You don't take steps back on fundamental aspects such as animation to allow something that most of your target group originally didn't asked for, and if you do, at least be serious about it and REALLY incorporate PVP into the game, make open world PVP servers available etc..

Thank you for your constructive criticism on my thread.

I highly doubt ppl wont buy a game cause of it not having realistic movements honestly this thread.....

Maybe FFXIV 1.0 was not built for PVP but 2.0 is and you don't need open world to have good PvP.

[Nemy]

Pre-Alpha or not, it's still a concern. There's zero sense in attacking people for raising this issue. The animation quality and detail is one of my favourite things about v1.x and I will be very, very sad if something happens to it.

If it is just a pre-alpha problem, and therefore a non-issue? Hurrah, I was worried over nothing; no harm done!

If it is an issue, and not just something not implemented yet because of the development stage, and we didn't raise it? Well, then who'll look the fool for giving in to the bullies telling them to shut up and keep their heads down?

Also: Troll != Person That Doesn't Share Your Opinion.

And on the subject of downgrades as a necessity for PVP and the like? Go play Dark Souls and its ilk. High quality animation and realistic movement limitations are anything but an obstacle to a good PVP experience. They just teach you to keep in mind how you move as you ought any other action.

Well, That was probably the best approach so far.

And... i just wanted to quote and thank you.

[Nemy]

I highly doubt ppl wont buy a game cause of it not having realistic movements honestly this thread.....

Trust me, there are people that value animation, and it really makes a huge difference in how they perceive gameplay.

If what you said was a fact, why do you think game developers even bother with creating high quality animations?

[Elexia]

Trust me, there are people that value animation, and it really makes a huge difference in how they perceive gameplay.

If what you said was a fact, why do you think game developers even bother with creating high quality animations?

I found it ironic considering the whole last and current generation of gaming pretty much banked purely on graphics alone.

[Zaireeka2025]

small foot movement don't really matter to me, but it does give a bit of a flare when you're playing ffxiv. What really matters and people are overlooking is the amazing job OVERALL that yoshi did. Hell, even 1.0 in it's current state is better than most MMORPGs out there. I'm sure Yoshi-p will have some good shit for us.

Nobody in this thread is saying that ARR will suck because of downgraded animations. No matter what happens, I will have a blast in ARR (given it is a fun game). The OP is just stating a concern for the lack of quality compared to current FFXIV.

[Zaireeka2025]

Trust me, there are people that value animation, and it really makes a huge difference in how they perceive gameplay.

If what you said was a fact, why do you think game developers even bother with creating high quality animations?

FFXIV's current animation is one of the few things I want carried over into ARR. And I mean few.

[Nemy]

"Exactly. It's Alpha, and it isn't finished yet. Which is exactly why if there is ever a time to give any suggestions or complaints about the quality of animation we are used to, now would be the time to do it."

Exactly.

And my thought exactly before even making this thread.

Let them know we notice, and we value animation.

Animation looking like the pre-alpha video = generic korean mmo feel.