Realm Reborn = downgrade?

[Zaireeka2025]

thats true but it was because of the lack of time of development and how quickly they were trying to release the game that made them choose a point of focus. thats why alot of the tech engine stuff was done poorly, because they spent that time to make the game prettier, thats reflected by the fact that they couldnt easily fix things such as animation lock and stoping while viewing a bazaar. and going threw menus being so slow, thats why they had to completely remake the engine to fix that.
if they had the oportunity to finish the game before releasing 1.0 those problems would have still been there because thats something that was decided and created when the engine was made and thats in the earliest stages of development, after preplanning of course.

i also agree that games can focus on graphics and have great gameplay, thats why im saying its definetly possible to do if they have the time to do it. dead space is one of my favorite games lol

Very true. Now that they have the gameplay pillars to stand on, adding a bit of animation polish isn't really much to ask for with the lag issue fixed and reworked from the ground up (which is obviously the true reason for animation lock). FFXIV 1.0's elongated animation sequences were put in place to mask the amount of lag the game was experiencing. Hence, why the term "animation lock" even exists (a term invented out of thin air for this game alone). It was a problem in FFXI too, but was of a less critical problem due to its slower battle pace. ARR needs its own unique and subtler (shorter) animation cues for stopping, turning or landing that fit the new engine's capabilities.

[Arcell]

Very true. Now that they have the gameplay pillars to stand on, adding a bit of animation polish isn't really much to ask for with the lag issue fixed and reworked from the ground up (which is obviously the true reason for animation lock). FFXIV 1.0's elongated animation sequences were put in place to mask the amount of lag the game was experiencing. Hence, why the term "animation lock" even exists (a term invented out of thin air for this game alone). It was a problem in FFXI too, but was of a less critical problem due to its slower battle pace. ARR needs its own unique and subtler (shorter) animation cues for stopping, turning or landing that fit the new engine's capabilities.

From what we've seen ARR does have subtler (shorter) animation cues for stopping, however the stop is sometimes so abrupt that you don't see it. You don't just go from full stride to both legs standing upright in a single frame.

I'll agree that it would be nice to have them but at the same point if they don't I'm not going to give it another thought. I mean they know as well as we all do that 2.0 needs to be spectacular. Do you really think they'd make a decision like this lightly? If they're saying that they came to the conclusion that they needed to remove them then they probably really did need to remove them for one reason or the other. They've got more on the line, hinging upon 2.0's success than we do. This is their job and if they put out an awful product they could be out of a job, especially considering the weight put upon the success of 2.0.

[Zaireeka2025]

From what we've seen ARR does have subtler (shorter) animation cues for stopping, however the stop is sometimes so abrupt that you don't see it. You don't just go from full stride to both legs standing upright in a single frame.

I'll agree that it would be nice to have them but at the same point if they don't I'm not going to give it another thought. I mean they know as well as we all do that 2.0 needs to be spectacular. Do you really think they'd make a decision like this lightly? If they're saying that they came to the conclusion that they needed to remove them then they probably really did need to remove them for one reason or the other. They've got more on the line, hinging upon 2.0's success than we do. This is their job and if they put out an awful product they could be out of a job, especially considering the weight put upon the success of 2.0.

Really? Cuz I've reviewed the footage countless times and only see the DRG running and immediately stop. Perhaps I'm not looking hard enough. Regardless, I am more comparing 1.0 to ARR. It should be closer to that level of fluidity.

I also agree that they probably didn't come to the decision to eliminate the animations lightly. There really must be a good reason. Part of me hopes that they simply didn't take them out due to time constraints and western MMO expectations, because I honestly don't buy the gameplay vs animation issue. With our voices heard, I am hoping SE sees that movement animations really were something players enjoyed about their avatars, and that they could find a workaround to their "gameplay" issue.

[Soukyuu]

I don't get why people settle for EITHER aesthetics OR gameplay. Why not both? And no, they're not mutually exclusive.

The issue with unnecessary steps when trying to position yourself is not animation, but server response/latency. Just like character running further than you intend to. This should be solved with the new engine being written for MMOs and also with the introduction of regional servers.

So please stop saying animations are making the game unresponsive. They don't. It's merely aesthetics.

[Elexia]

I don't get why people settle for EITHER aesthetics OR gameplay. Why not both?

It's one or the other with this generation of MMORPG players. Can you blame em though? They either played MMOs with shitty graphics that a 1st year intern could do better, or they played MMOs with a great graphical appeal and repetitive gameplay (TERA).

So please stop saying animations are making the game unresponsive. They don't. It's merely aesthetics.

Only reason people say this is because "Well reviewers said this!"...reviewers didn't realize it wasn't the graphics making those issues happen, it was the engine which the company who made it stated it wasn't optimized for MMOs. I guarantee they couldn't explain how the game that is supposedly unresponsive due to animations started getting much more responsive throughout 2011 without them changing anything regarding how animations worked.

[HiirNoivl]

"What?! They're taking out all these animations? Oh I'm so never going to quit this game and just complain about it for another 100 pages!"

[Zaireeka2025]

"What?! They're taking out all these animations? Oh I'm so never going to quit this game and just complain about it for another 100 pages!"

Oh god how I missed you.

[HiirNoivl]

Oh god how I missed you.

Well I see I haven't missed anything. -.-

[Soukyuu]

Could you stop bickering already? All of you? Please?

[IveraIvalice]

i would just like to say to the moderator reading this that at least we're reviewing to treat people with kindness as our parents taught us when we were 4 years old
not ment to sound sarcastic or anything
but i hope its being shown clearly that the majority of people on this thread want to continue the conversation, and hope that this thread doesnt close because some people enjoy arguments