Realm Reborn = downgrade?

[KiriA500]

-Omg! i don't have a counter-argument on our relevant discussion, quick! let's attack the person behind the post!

-Omg he called it! I can't respond to this post either! Quick! Let's find a word that could imply that the post is somehow wrong and ridicule it with a picture! fetish might not be such an accurate word to use in that reference, and it sounds weird!

Enough with the victim complex. I could keep replying to you if you want, but you clearly only read what you want, so it's useless.

[Nemy]

Enough with the victim complex. I could keep replying to you if you want, but you clearly only read what you want, so it's useless.

Okay. Reply to my last post then.

I read only what i want? Was there anything there in your last post other than a personal attack? Point it out then.

Minor issue for you =/= Minor issue for everyone.

You're trying to present the situation, like its just me, complaining about my fetish all these days. This is not the case. I'm not alone in this. Look around you.

Also, in your last 2 posts, you dropped the very relevant subject that we were talking about, to direct the discussion into a personal attack against me. It is also funny and ironic, to accuse me of complaining about a minor issue not for the future of this game and this community, but just to satisfy a personal need of showing that 2.0 isn't good enough to live up to the insanely high standards of the almighty Nemy Oinos, while at the same time, this personal attack, serves nothing other than satisfying your own personal need to ridicule and belittle my intentions in this forum.

Discussing the factor of graphics / animation = relevant.

Attacking my intentions and my relation with the game and forums = irrelevant.

So i'm not going to talk about me. I'm just going to ask you a question regarding all those, that value animation in this thread : Do you think we would post and discuss in this thread daily, if we didn't care about the future of the game?

EDIT : Victim complex? You derailing the relevant conversation to personally attack me was clearer than daylight. It's not a complex of mine.

[IveraIvalice]

Okay. Reply to my last post then.

no

kiriA500 im asking that you dont respond
nemy im asking that you leave it alone

i appreciate that nemy said that she would be trying to tone it down for the sake of the thread staying open.
but honestly by kiriA500 trying to stop continuing the argument, i see him being the only one making the effort to end it.
so both of you stop
none of your recent posts have been relevant to the topic, this is all unnecessary provoking and none of it is needed.
ignore each other
i cant believe i actually have to say all this

[Zaireeka2025]

One thing I want to convey to this community is the simple fact that the missing animations do matter. Why should they, right?

As a FF fan since its first release in the 80's, I've grown with the series through its good times and its bad. I understand what a FF game is, as do many in this forum. SE knows this, and listens to its fans because we are the product of a multi-generational brand. SE also knows that part of what makes a FF game a FF game is the graphics. SE has prided themselves in amazing graphics ever since consoles could boast them. If the look and feel of the world of each FF game didn't appeal so strongly, they wouldn't ever bother and just focus on gameplay. But no, this is FF. And FF games have gorgeous visuals. It's so important, in fact, that in many of their surveys, one of the questions asking what you (the player) looks forward to most always contains an option to mark the graphics as a reason for enjoying the game. Example:

What are you looking forward to most in FFXIV?

a. Quests
b. Storyline and Lore
c. Graphics
d. Gameplay
e. Crafting and Gathering
f. Partying
g. etc etc etc

Graphics are always considered as something as important to SE as the rest. The way their games look appeal strongly to their brand as a FF game.

For those of you comparing NES games, let's not forget that although we did enjoy those games back then for their great gameplay, we are living in 2012 now, not 1985. It is unlike a FF game to release a game with corners cut in the graphics department.

*Another reminder: I am not saying ARR looks bad. It looks beautiful and has wonderful graphics, but along with those graphics, the visuals in the animation department are lacking compared to what FFXIV 1.xx spoiled us with. SE, don't copout with a lame excuse of gameplay vs animation. You can do both.

[IveraIvalice]

One thing I want to convey to this community is the simple fact that the missing animations do matter. Why should they, right?

As a FF fan since its first release in the 80's, I've grown with the series through its good times and its bad. I understand what a FF game is, as do many in this forum. SE knows this, and listens to its fans because we are the product of a multi-generational brand. SE also knows that part of what makes a FF game a FF game is the graphics. SE has prided themselves in amazing graphics ever since consoles could boast them. If the look and feel of the world of each FF game didn't appeal so strongly, they wouldn't ever bother and just focus on gameplay. But no, this is FF. And FF games have gorgeous visuals. It's so important, in fact, that in many of their surveys, one of the questions asking what you (the player) looks forward to most always contains an option to mark the graphics as a reason for enjoying the game. Example:

What are you looking forward to most in FFXIV?

a. Quests
b. Storyline and Lore
c. Graphics
d. Gameplay
e. Crafting and Gathering
f. Partying
g. etc etc etc

Graphics are always considered as something as important to SE as the rest. The way their games look appeal strongly to their brand as a FF game.

For those of you comparing NES games, let's not forget that although we did enjoy those games back then for their great gameplay, we are living in 2012 now, not 1985. It is unlike a FF game to release a game with corners cut in the graphics department.

*Another reminder: I am not saying ARR looks bad. It looks beautiful and has wonderful graphics, but along with those graphics, the visuals in the animation department are lacking compared to what FFXIV 1.xx spoiled us with. SE, don't copout with a lame excuse of gameplay vs animation. You can do both.

exactly, FF is a series know for its graphics and also its story telling. the animations and graphics were things that were done amazingly in 1.0, without these in the current version its lacking a key part of what made FF a great series.
gameplay is definetly important and its difficult getting that from an mmo when other things are more demanding then a single player game, but graphics and animations are things that can and should remain true in single player and mmos.

its also true that graphics and animations are not everything, and they are not what makes a game fun, but they do play a big part in the overall game. in the older days that was not expected of us because of technology at the time, but since that has evolved so has our expectation of games with this reputation.

i will say that i dont have much mmo experience, i tried a few and i didnt like almost any of them, but i did like ffxi because it was the only one that gave me what i was looking for. because mmos are an entire world to explore and adventure in, i always wanted a believable world, and only ffxi gave me that experience. i think if it wasnt for the animations and the attention to detail of characters and the world, im not sure i would have stuck with it either.
even knowing that graphics and animations aren't everything and they dont affect "fun" it was definatly something that played a part in my overall enjoy-ability in the game i played as an mmo

[Elexia]

Regardless though, the main problem was the useless amount of server checks and shaders used. All they had to do was fix that and everything is peachy, I mean, not even in an MMO they created in 2001 have you ground to a stop to check someone's bazaar.

[Rokien]

an update, few more people posted

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/foru...rst#post141750

[Rannie]

an update, few more people posted

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/foru...rst#post141750

What does this have to do with the price of tea in china?

[Elexia]

1.0's problem wasn't a focus on graphics over gamplay really, it was a problem with it being unfinished and Wada wanting it out asap.

There's plenty of games out there that focuses on graphics and atmosphere and still have solid gameplay, Dead Space for example.

[IveraIvalice]

1.0's problem wasn't a focus on graphics over gamplay really, it was a problem with it being unfinished and Wada wanting it out asap.

There's plenty of games out there that focuses on graphics and atmosphere and still have solid gameplay, Dead Space for example.

thats true but it was because of the lack of time of development and how quickly they were trying to release the game that made them choose a point of focus. thats why alot of the tech engine stuff was done poorly, because they spent that time to make the game prettier, thats reflected by the fact that they couldnt easily fix things such as animation lock and stoping while viewing a bazaar. and going threw menus being so slow, thats why they had to completely remake the engine to fix that.
if they had the oportunity to finish the game before releasing 1.0 those problems would have still been there because thats something that was decided and created when the engine was made and thats in the earliest stages of development, after preplanning of course.

i also agree that games can focus on graphics and have great gameplay, thats why im saying its definetly possible to do if they have the time to do it. dead space is one of my favorite games lol