Upgrading Normal Raid Gear

[Moqi]

We are drowning in pointless (and for the most part outdated) tokens in this game so I am very happy about the EC changes to gear, but I was confused why Savage is dropping Raid Gear.

Can't we just have the same token from Savage upgrade Normal Raid Gear twice instead of obtaining a new set the first round of Savage and then upgrade it? They are visually identical except for visual effects which we should be able to toggle off now.

[Underscore]

They didn't explicitly say it, but I'm hoping these changes mean that Normal Raid gear is being removed. It always kinda irked me that you could get gear with the same appearance as the raid gear from the zero difficulty story mode, even if it's undyeable it kinda devalues the Savage rewards.

[Carighan]

Yeah it sounds like it. It sounds like it's just "gear" and the upgrade tiers and paths just change.

[TalithaSolarien]

They didn't explicitly say it, but I'm hoping these changes mean that Normal Raid gear is being removed. It always kinda irked me that you could get gear with the same appearance as the raid gear from the zero difficulty story mode, even if it's undyeable it kinda devalues the Savage rewards.

If they remove the gear from the Normal Raids what is the point of running them anyway ? Only once for the story ? That would be a really bad waste of time. This is similar to the Normal trials that also have no rewards and are really useless to run again.

[Carighan]

If they remove the gear from the Normal Raids what is the point of running them anyway ? Only once for the story ? That would be a really bad waste of time. This is similar to the Normal trials that also have no rewards and are really useless to run again.

WDYM? The tokens drop from the raids?

[FuturePastNow]

I assume the normal raid gear will remain, otherwise normal raids won't have any rewards at all, aside from a minion from the last one and the low chance of music rolls dropping.

[Daralii]

I assume the normal raid gear will remain, otherwise normal raids won't have any rewards at all, aside from a minion from the last one and the low chance of music rolls dropping.

On the other hand, it would be extremely funny for them to pull a Warlords of Draenor and insist that seeing the story is reward enough for the matchmade version.

[Vrankyl]

WDYM? The tokens drop from the raids?

Upgrade tokens for Seasonal Gear won't drop from Normal Raid, but normal Trials in odd patches unless that was one hell of a mistranslation on SE's part. Only Fierce mode will drop tokens, so if there is no gear then there is no drops in Normal at all. Also, locking FF7 style gear for a crossover behind savage only will be a choice, a bad choice honestly.

[Starrya]

It seems reasonable to assume that normal raids will still be a good way to get progress toward the "activity level" of weeklies that unlock seasonal gear. While they are letting players repeat the content they like to get points, I suspect that doing something for the first time each week will still carry with it a bonus to the activity level it generates. This opens up the option to get seasonal gear without ever touching raids, which was the whole point, but still incentivizes completing the raids once per week.

[Selsix]

They didn't explicitly say it, but I'm hoping these changes mean that Normal Raid gear is being removed. It always kinda irked me that you could get gear with the same appearance as the raid gear from the zero difficulty story mode, even if it's undyeable it kinda devalues the Savage rewards.

If they remove rewards from normal raids they will have infinitely long queues because nobody will ever do them again after clearing the story once. Raid roulette isn't even worth doing 99% of the time.