How Many Would Have Rather Seen RDM than SMN

[kazaran]

I don't want to see a XI RDM, it would also be redundant. A fightign class mage with out nukes but magic enhanced abilties, enfeebs and party support while engaged in malee would be better, then yes, I arathr they make a job like that then another hashed mage back job. Make BLM BLM, and forget about Arch

[Rustyhagun]

I don't want to see a XI RDM, it would also be redundant. A fightign class mage with out nukes but magic enhanced abilties, enfeebs and party support while engaged in malee would be better, then yes, I arathr they make a job like that then another hashed mage back job. Make BLM BLM, and forget about Arch

Kind of a silly remark as FFXI nailed the FF Red Mage persona to a tee. Able to cast white & black magic, to wield a sword and shield, had def and offensive melee properties. All this while still maintaining it not being as strong as the jobs it borrowed from.

If FFXIV2.0 had Red Mage in it, it would have to be the same exact thing... As that is what a Red Mage is. You say "redundant" because this is one of the few companies to release a sequel mmo for the same franchise. Using the same lore and Jobs and species for the foundation of that lore is standard. An original story plot is the only thing that needs to be new. So you can't say using the same jobs from the FF universe is redundant...specifically "I dont want to see ffxi red mage" when that red mage is the same red mage from FF1.


as taken fromt he wiki:
Red Mages typically cast both Black and White Magic and can also wield swords and equip armor that normal Black and White Mages cannot. They are, in essence, among the more versatile characters of the series. However, their versatility comes at a price: their stats are usually low, and they cannot cast higher level spells or use stronger equipment. They can learn many spells, but not the strongest, and equip some heavy armor, but not all of it.

Thus, the Red Mage is a jack-of-all-trades, but a master of none. In certain games, Red Mages have a special ability such as Dualcast which boosts their spell casting efficiency. The standard Red Mage attire consists of red, black, and white clothing, including a red cloak with white or black trimmings, black boots and a red cap with a white feather.

Thus the fact remains:

REDMAGE

[Firon]

Kind of a silly remark as FFXI nailed the FF Red Mage persona to a tee. Able to cast white & black magic, to wield a sword and shield, had def and offensive melee properties. All this while still maintaining it not being as strong as the jobs it borrowed from.

If FFXIV2.0 had Red Mage in it, it would have to be the same exact thing... As that is what a Red Mage is. You say "redundant" because this is one of the few companies to release a sequel mmo for the same franchise. Using the same lore and Jobs and species for the foundation of that lore is standard. An original story plot is the only thing that needs to be new. So you can't say using the same jobs from the FF universe is redundant...specifically "I dont want to see ffxi red mage" when that red mage is the same red mage from FF1.


as taken fromt he wiki:
Red Mages typically cast both Black and White Magic and can also wield swords and equip armor that normal Black and White Mages cannot. They are, in essence, among the more versatile characters of the series. However, their versatility comes at a price: their stats are usually low, and they cannot cast higher level spells or use stronger equipment. They can learn many spells, but not the strongest, and equip some heavy armor, but not all of it.

Thus, the Red Mage is a jack-of-all-trades, but a master of none. In certain games, Red Mages have a special ability such as Dualcast which boosts their spell casting efficiency. The standard Red Mage attire consists of red, black, and white clothing, including a red cloak with white or black trimmings, black boots and a red cap with a white feather.

The fact you think XI nailed the rdm role is laughable, XI rdm was done wrong.

[Yukagama]

The fact you think XI nailed the rdm role is laughable, XI rdm was done wrong.

you sure didnt know how to play RDM then, i think it was perfect in everyway. solo slow kills but win. I love it.

[Firon]

you sure didnt know how to play RDM then, i think it was perfect in everyway. solo slow kills but win. I love it.

If you would have read what i quoted RDM was no near a jack of all trades it more of a mage than anything.

[Malakhim]

I really don't think the idea behind RDM as a jack of all trades fits with what the devs are trying to do with the job system, which is all about specialization in one role. Like I said earlier, RDM as we currently know it according to anything pre-FFXI is essentially a Gladiator with magic. From what it looks like, Arcanist will be taking the role of DoT and enfeebles, so that probably throws that idea for RDM out the window. What's left? Elemental enhancements and different buffs than a bard? Possibly, but then they'd might as well release Mystic Knight/Sorcerer, which would add a a breath of fresh air as opposed to the usual addition of RDM.

Did anyone else notice in the PAX presentation that the demo presenter mentioned "new classes they'll be adding towards release" as in plural? It could have just been him mixing up class(arcanist) and job(summoner), or just a thing he said though.

But hmmm...

[Duelle]

Wish those pics were real, sounds like a badass kind of Red Mage.

I can personally picture three different lore uses for Red Mages. One being rogue mage/witch hunters, going along with an idea from the RDM Design thread on the FFXI forums, where someone mentioned that it'd be neat if an enemy wizard or mage's worst nightmare on the battlefield would be the Red Mage.

Another one would be field agents for a higher power, playing off how Red Mages were hinted to being used in FFXI. Of course, the writers never divulged much on that end, as the AF questline was basically "This is Rainemard. He knew too much. He was chopped to pieces and stuffed in a box. The end".

The third is a variation of the second, as peace keepers. Playing off the type of vibe people in western films get with the town sherrif, who is easily recognized (in the case of RDM, a guy in a red tabard, a rapier and pimp hat is hard to miss). For what purpose, I wouldn't be able to say.

you sure didnt know how to play RDM then, i think it was perfect in everyway. solo slow kills but win. I love it.

Refreshbot and Hastebot with staying power that made it beneficial to have as a healer in the group and lolenfeebles does not a Red Mage make.

They not only got the job wrong, but did a disservice to many people who played it.