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    SwordCoheir's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by KoujiGeki View Post
    red mage was on the player poll. Rdm got the second lowest vote after Dark Knight.
    I think alot of that stemmed from the bitter taste Tanaka left in our mouths from FFXI's RDM, which has suffered greatly from neglect and any serious work on the job for almost 10 years. Seriously they barely touched it in 8 years, they didn't bother fixing anything when everyone thought it was OP and they haven't bothered fixing anything now that everyone thinks it's broken and useless.

    But seriously there are lots of ways they could implement RDM in a traditional sense and have it's place as a WAR/BRD level DD, WHM level nuker, and a PLD level healer. They can be entirely creative and come up with a new aspect, or throw in something like the original Thaumatarge and have RDM focus purely on the light and dark aspects which wouldn't be entirely out of the original lore, or go for the FF9 route with Steiner and use WS nukes.
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    Support RDM Development: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/42776-How-Would-You-Design-Red-Mage%21[/center]

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoujiGeki View Post
    red mage was on the player poll. Rdm got the second lowest vote after Dark Knight.
    RDM is not really a popular class no main char from FF is like i'm a bad ass RDM. You have smn's, thf, wars,pld , drk,drg , whm nin, mnks, onion knights and other classes who was center of the stage but never a rdm That's the main reason why i think the votes for it was so low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firon View Post
    RDM is not really a popular class no main char from FF is like i'm a bad ass RDM. You have smn's, thf, wars,pld , drk,drg , whm nin, mnks, onion knights and other classes who was center of the stage but never a rdm That's the main reason why i think the votes for it was so low.
    You my friend, are delusional.

    Also, most "Main Characters" in the Final Fantasy Series didn't have classes set in stone. For most of them, you can consider every Character a Red Mage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiote View Post
    You my friend, are delusional.

    Also, most "Main Characters" in the Final Fantasy Series didn't have classes set in stone. For most of them, you can consider every Character a Red Mage.
    You stupid? All those jobs i named, chars was those jobs. Did you ever play FF?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firon View Post
    You stupid? All those jobs i named, chars was those jobs. Did you ever play FF?


    Here's my main character in Final Fantasy. I call him Redi the Red Mage. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firon View Post
    RDM is not really a popular class no main char from FF is like i'm a bad ass RDM. You have smn's, thf, wars, pld, drk, drg, whm, nin, mnks, onion knights and other classes who was center of the stage but never a rdm That's the main reason why i think the votes for it was so low.
    You're right that we've never had a Red Mage protagonist in an FF game. The closest we ever got was Terra, though she's classified as a Magitek Knight along with Celes. RDM seems for fit for a background cast type of character. It just has never lended itself to the leadership role, and is not as forthcoming as a knight or something along those lines.

    That said, I think what may have kept people from voting for RDM was the fact that it was mentioned as a front line enfeebler. If it had been presented as a hybrid class or combat caster people may have been a little more receptive. While it had its uses, XI's RDM is something I feel a good number of people don't want to see again.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

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    Player Mijin's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firon View Post
    RDM is not really a popular class no main char from FF is like i'm a bad ass RDM. You have smn's, thf, wars,pld , drk,drg , whm nin, mnks, onion knights and other classes who was center of the stage but never a rdm That's the main reason why i think the votes for it was so low.
    While your right that we never had a main character from a FF that was set as a RDM. RDM's are still pretty iconic considering they've been around since FF1, and they were one of the most popular jobs in FFXI.
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    i cant wait really.. i dont mind leveling a new class.. ill take arc for smn anyday... summoning..(i like the new looks for the primals so far.) thats what i have been waiting for.. though in 11 smns were rather OP .. not only was i one but have seen several endgame summoners as smn/whm healing groups just as good as any whm... they might have only leviathan and gaurda for their main aoe heals but they had the smaller ones as well plus most cures... enhance spells almost as good as an RDM.. etc.. OP in my opinion and dont forget the level 30 missions 3 summoners could easily defeat the final boss with their 2 hour ability with everyone else as healer/tank keeping them alive and safe. I dont mind smns with healing, enhancing, enfeebles and such but i hope their main focus is damage and nothing more
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordCoheir View Post
    Not really, although Jobs were never originally planned in FFXIV's design (Tanaka even said he wanted to keep away from the traditional FF jobs in FFXIV) there was a musketeer class designed for the Alpha of 1.0. Musketeer even has an unused guild in Limsa and looking at the types of weapons GLA uses there are no rapier, epee, or other fencing type weapons in GLA's arsenal or in the game at the moment.

    Besides that, functionally GLA to RDM does not work in the slightest. ...


    Good observation and I agree with you.



    Quote Originally Posted by Yukagama View Post
    First of all Musketeer would not be Rdm as a job, why is that because of gun's. I think Musketeer would be corsair XD!

    Fencer would be RDM for sure or mystic mage.

    This is so true, even though Rdm was my bloodport job in FFxi, i would unlock/ level it in xIv if it was different. I mean, come on! Gun-Blades! Bring it! Guns & cannons, bring it! I want to blow stuff up with artillery again!

    The fencing weapon would have a piercing/ slashing behavior in battle.
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    Considering the drastic change in what we thought would be Arcantist would be like (based on weapon, location, npc clues and the attire of what is in game atm) I also would not be judging the Musketeers on what is now; a set of obsolete clues.
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