Why would you ever play ARC? I Hate the Class System.

[Orca]

I get that they wanted classes = solo, and jobs = group but it doesnt really work that way. The 'create a class' thing failed because everyone used the same skills, you were just Tank, DPS or Mage. This whole community is about finding the best, using it in excess and excluding the rest.

Bard is the ONLY job i wont solo with. I solo'd BLM, WAR and MNK from 30~36 to 50, and BRD was the only one where i just couldn't keep myself from silently sobbing, and had to play Archer JUST for invigorate and sentinel. When doing stuff alone at lv cap, i always go PLD or WHM. I haven't played Glad/Conj solo since jobs came about and ive never had problems because of it. I could go class for piece of mind that im being more efficient and some people enjoy that in games, so im not gonna question their right, its just not an issue for me.

In groups, people will still play classes, despite jobs being pitched as the superior grouping method. I know its mainly for raises and support effects, but there shouldnt ever be a need in a group situation to change from group job to solo class to provide a better group experience. It just means the concept failed somewhere. Need sentinel? Well if undodgable, 1-shot abilities exist then jobs should have their own way to prevent that without relying on another classes skillset. Need raise? We should have raise items, changing to a class for raise should be the last resort. Need AoE abilities? If a jobs native ability is capable of AoE, the job should have a way to apply that itself.

It just seems to silly to me, that everything has 2 variations of the SAME thing, it just depends on how much you want/need raise, cure, sacred prism, and sentinel. Theres others that can be useful in a group but probly not worth the loss of your job abilities. If new classes are added with abilities that become desired in group play, then people will start using them more frequently in big battles and the fine line drawn between job and class is gonna get really blurred. If they stay the same with only a handful of skills tempting people to occasionally go class over job for grouping, then classes are still this rather unnecessary alternative to one well rounded job.

I'm not saying down with classes or to drop them. Im not the only one playing this game, i know some people really love what we have now and thats totally cool. Its just if i logged in as a Black Mage and identified my main role as a Black Mage, then i would expect to solo AND group on Black Mage, without the idea of Thaumaturge bobbing about in my mind. ;;

[Malakhim]

Its just if i logged in as a Black Mage and identified my main role as a Black Mage, then i would expect to solo AND group on Black Mage, without the idea of Thaumaturge bobbing about in my mind. ;;

And that's exactly the point; you choose how you want to play. If you want to operate strictly as a specialized Black Mage, then by all means have at it. If you'd rather play as a versatile mage capable of a wider(though currently not incredibly wide) skill set with better small group/solo parameters, then stick with Thaumaturge. There is NO REASON that the two cannot coexist in harmony.

Keep in mind people that this whole time, we've been dealing with 1.xx limitations(which were VAST): Very few classes with few abilities that weren't either broken, redundant, or boring; and a serious dearth of content to name a few. Yoshi P and the dev team tried to work with said limitations and gave us the(very barebones) job system and interesting content such as dungeons, which were eventually balanced mostly for full party groups and job users. You're all mostly(and erroneously) assuming that 2.0 will carry on with those specs, but it will not. There are going to be all sorts of wide levels of content as far as what they've told us already, because said 1.xx limits are going to be dealt with entirely with the release of 2.0.

Why are people even bashing or criticsing the idea of a class/job that we know nearly nothing about?

Because the internet is full of impatience and volatile dispositions, I guess.

[Ikkenoe]

In groups, people will still play classes

what, like... leveling groups? is that all this game is? just leveling?

curious indeed.

[Rannie]

Because Humans are full of impatience and volatile dispositions, I guess.

that's more of the truth... it's not the internet it's the humans behind the internet =)

[Akubikumo]

And that's exactly the point; you choose how you want to play. If you want to operate strictly as a specialized Black Mage, then by all means have at it. If you'd rather play as a versatile mage capable of a wider(though currently not incredibly wide) skill set with better small group/solo parameters, then stick with Thaumaturge. There is NO REASON that the two cannot coexist in harmony.

Exactly, the "community" Orca is talking about is only ONE SUBSET of the whole. Its a fascist scene who's only concern is Efficiency. Ok i get it. Knock yourselves out. Winning is nice, so i dont blame them for being ruthless about their own party set ups. But if the developers mean to support that kind of play style, and ONLY that kind, then us freedom-loving romantics are doomed. DooOOOOOOmmmmmed

@Malakhim: I kinda doubt they can live in harmony tbh. They can certainly occupy the same servers and even achieve equal results, but not together. The acolytes of the ONE TRUE WAY don't usually like libertarians/free agents in their parties .

[Mijin]

tl;dr?

50% of the posters agreed that classes are retarded.

The other 50% got really upset that anyone would say they don't like something SE did and had a hissy fit. Altogether zero f***'s were given.

[Enma]

I don't like class system too. With Jobs, classes have become useless, whatever they try to say... Sincerely I can't find any place where put them to.

[Akubikumo]

tl;dr?

50% of the posters agreed that classes are retarded.

The other 50% got really upset that anyone would say they don't like something SE did and had a hissy fit. Altogether zero f***'s were given.

que? :/ are we reading the same thread?

[Dzian]

Just going to say I hate the class system and imo an Archer will never do more for a party than a Bard.

Even if I was to solo I'd solo on Bard because Paeon of War / Rain of Death would trounce anything Invigorate or Keen Flurry would do for me.

The problem I have with the class system is that any job that stems off a class is going to be practically identical to any other job that stems from that class. The current opinion that Dark Knight coming from Gladiator to give GLAs a decent dd option for example.

Under the armory system that Dark Knight is going to have the following GLA skill set. Sentinal, Rampart, Aegis Boon, Outmanouver, Flash, Fast Blade, Flat blade, Swift Aegis Boon, Enhanced Flash, Enhanced Outmanouver, Enhanced Rampart.

God Dayum some epic dd skills there...... and holy sh** it feel just like a Gladiator to play. Not a very unique or Dark Knightish job.

Ultimately the only way to create any kind of really versatile unique to play jobs is to create a whole bunch of new classes to make new frames for these new jobs and thus you either create a 25 class options and 25 job options which is pointlesss or you create a play where some classes have 1 job option and some may have 3 or 4 which will totally unbalance the whole system.

Do not forget the big reason jobs were introduced in the first place is because every class felt the same to play and every class used the same skill sets. There was no variety, no sense of identity, no uniqueness. Thats why they implemented the job system in the first place and if it comes to a point where several jobs stem from one class (a la DRK from GLA. a community favorite) then that time where everything felt the same to play looks to be where things are going back to. which imo is a step backwards not forwards

[Akubikumo]

ok well, despite my support of the class system, i should admit im being nostalgic and cherry picking my favorite aspects. I guess Im still lamenting the old THM skillset...man what an awesome class that was:__. so, for the record: If i had to choose between the current class system and the job system, i would in fact pick the job system. Having both is like eating Italian and Chinese at the same time. Sure they both have noodles but....