Ideas from an Unemployed Game Designer - FFXIV style!

[Altena]

This is not a troll post, just an opinion but~

I personally don't like the idea of DRK being a tanking class, for a number of reasons that I will mention:

1) In current content (won't mention 2.0 as anything from here will be speculation) there is only truly room for 1 tank per party for most content. With already 2 seperate tanking jobs (PLD and WAR), in comparison to other jobs (2x "mages", 2x DD's, 1x support role) - adding another job that is tank heavy won't benefit party play on a huge scale, and if anything - take too much opportunity away from the PLD and WAR mains out there.
2) MRD already has a tank job that stems from it - and that's WAR. I would rather see MRD get a heavy DD (comparable to DRG and MNK) as a secondary advanced job, as they have the base of it there already, but truthfully don't quite cut it. So personally I would rather see the DD side come out on MRD a little more, rather then a tank.
3) DRK has traditionally been a DD role (and while I am trying not to sound like an XI DRK fanboy), that's the model that I can see DRK falling into, rather then a tank role.

So in summary I believe that there is more place in this game for additional DD's, but very little room for additional tanks. If we were to look at "2nd advanced jobs" I would prefer to see a model a bit more like the following (and yes they are based off XI jobs at this stage):

MRD > DRK (DD role) or BST (Pet tank or DD pet role)
LNC > DRK (DD role) or SAM (DD or evasion/parry tank role)
PGL > NIN or THF (evasion tank/support role)
ARC > RNG (heavy DD) or Musketeer/Corsair (support)
CNJ > SMN (yes I know summoner has always been announced as an advanced job for a seperate class)
THM > RDM or "Geomancer" as the OP states (debuff/buff/support role)
GLD > BLU (solo melee/mage/tank style class)

As for geomancer, I like the concept but it sounds a bit like a RDM to me. Since we are playing an FF title (not trying to be picky) I would rather it being called a red mage (Yes I am a traditionalist). I would also rather see it stem from THM rather then CNJ. I am all for the concept, however if they were to add a 2nd "advanced job" to the classes, I would prefer to see it in a significantly different role to it's current advanced job. By that I mean BLM being a heavy DD, I would like to see THM stem into some form of support/healer style role. This way you can then bring out the magic DD out of CNJ and utilize that side of the class.

This would not only allow for more flexibility in how you like to play your base class, but the one point I will make is it will potentially allow the players with a very limited base class selection for end game, to have a higher chance at getting a slot. (Ie you can only have 1 tank in most end game content, so that MRD that isn't quite as skilled/geared to tank can step in the heavy DD shoes).

[Talon_Luna]

@Altena
Gonna start off by saying, Great feedback, certainly the stuff I was looking for from this thread.
Wasn't kinda worried about how people would think of DRK being a Tank class. I personally like the idea of the WoW Death Knight, and made DRK build of FF skills into a role like that.
I feel that MRD can perfer a DD roll better then GLD can, and right now WAR can got both ways (ya I said it >.>)
I totally see where you are coming from. Maybe Ill make a DD DRK after im done with the other things I am working on now.

As for your RDM comment, I am working on building a new class -> job tree for this kind of class
The reason I chose GEO to spawn from CNJ is because, already, CNJ is in tone with nature, using and treating the elements with respect and such. Wanted to keep that storyline flow into the jobs etc. etc.

I personally would like to see a more melee oriented caster type of RDM, chaining melee attacks into spell combos and provided enfeebles to their enemies.

Thanks for the update!

Today's works are:
New Class: Magic Knight
New Jobs: Magic Knight -> Rune Fencer Magic Knight -> Red Mage

Next Post: Dancer!

Hope the views keep coming o.ob

[ssppiikkeeyy]

BLU to me would be more of a tanking class than DRK but that from what i picked up about BLU do like these ideas do seem pretty sweet.

Also don't forget even tho BLU is double Swords it would be curve swords, that way it would work with this system as well and leaves PLD with its normal long/short swords.

Keep up the gd work and i do hope to see BLU in this game really soon

[Forerunner]

Geomancer seemed cool, but I didn't like (personally) your interesting theories on DRK or BLU.

Good stuff though dude.

[Talon_Luna]

Geomancer seemed cool, but I didn't like (personally) your interesting theories on DRK or BLU.

Good stuff though dude.

Thanks!
BLU was quite the challenge to keep within the realm of FFXIV as it is right now.
Keeping to the 3 abilities, 1 weaponskill and 1 15min ability, it would seem like too much of that system would be lost if you made it a 'true' BLU allows access to any enemy spell at enemy time.
I sort of mixed the Mime Job and the Blue Mage job together for this.


In other news! Original post updated with DNC design. Lemme know what you guys think!

[Forerunner]

Thanks!
BLU was quite the challenge to keep within the realm of FFXIV as it is right now.
Keeping to the 3 abilities, 1 weaponskill and 1 15min ability, it would seem like too much of that system would be lost if you made it a 'true' BLU allows access to any enemy spell at enemy time.
I sort of mixed the Mime Job and the Blue Mage job together for this.



In other news! Original post updated with DNC design. Lemme know what you guys think!

Yeah, I tried thinking on how BLU would fit too.

My possible theory was he got his 15 min ability, and 4 slots. and could slot any of his learned abilities in. Quests later on in the BLU questline would relinquish more slots. And a learned spells tab under attributes.

I think a dev said there is no plans for BLU currently anyways, so it doesn't really matter.

[Talon_Luna]

Hey Guys!
Just wanted to update you on whats coming out next:
Tomorrows Post: Magic Knight! and Magic Knight's 2 jobs: RDM(red mage) and RNF(rune fencer)

In the works:
Bushido Bladesmen and its 2 jobs: NIN and SAM

Keep checkin in regularly for more updates!
Thanks again for the feedback!

[Talon_Luna]

Main post Updated!
Here is Magic Knight, my first crack at building a class from the ground up.
It follows a similar scheme to the current one in game (I think I finished a combo too early but then another too late)
Regardless, the numbers see to work

To follow along with MGK we have Red Mage and Rune Fencer. Lemme know what you think!

[Mikheli]

I like the ideas to build depending on if you like physical or magical dps :O Nice job (as always) <3

[Talon_Luna]

Tomorrow's Post will have the following:

Time Mage!

Hope you are looking forward to it!
I'm looking forward to feedback on it

Thanks again guys!