DLSS 5 and modbeasting

[NightHour]

Holy shite! That's awful!

I like the general idea of what DLSS 5 is attempting to achieve, to allow players to interject some realism into their game with the help of AI. It's all client side and has no effect on me nor my enjoyment of the game. If someone is using AI to change the look of FFXIV for their own enjoyment, I hope they have fun. It's none of my business.

But, NVIDIA has totally dropped the ball on this project. DLSS 5 is not worth paying $5000.00 to operate. If people are spending that, they're fools.

TLDR is - If you wanna use DLSS 5 be prepared to turn on 4 or even 6x Frame Generation to get a playable experience.

Because this is how you get being forced into using these products. All of that: "why do we care?" has led us to what we have now. Sooner or later they will force DLSS 5 into games and will require either 50xx rtx series or some powerful amd card in order to even activate this garbage. Devs will try to use it because companies want lower cost and more profit remember.

Same as "why care about AI, just don't use it", meanwhile AI is being forced down your throat wherever you go. You can't go against it.

Normal technologies like frame gen and past dlss versions can help older gpu's go and play games that are more demanding but dlss 5 as a whole is a thing that shouldn't have existed. AI things are getting out of hand and this is not even the beginning. The more they can cut cost, the more they'll sacrifice quality for it.

I'm pretty sure anything below an RTX 40 series can't even use DLSS Frame Generation, let alone Multi Frame Generation.


RTX 20 and 30 series need to use FSR or XESS.

[Absurdity]

That's not what DLSS5 is for. The idea is that devs don't "finish" their graphics, the game would be built to forcibly run with DLSS5 enabled. The whole point is for companies to not spend money on character and world art, instead the slopbot renders that in.

(I'm not joking, that's what NVidia sells it for)

Which is already a problem with a lot of Unreal Engine 5 games.
Studios no longer create proper LoDs, they just turn on Nanite. They no longer make lighting optimized for the environments they're building, just slap Lumen on it.
And can't forget the anti-aliasing, just slap TAA on it that smears the entire image with vaseline and then force it to always be on.

No wonder games nowadays run like dogwater while barely looking better than 10 years ago.

[AngryLion]

DLS55 better stay away from this game. I am in love with the current FFXIV graphics.

[Arthur-Holt]

Disregarding all the negatives that come from producing AI these are the kinds of graphical leaps I have been waiting for since the 360. It is not by any means perfect or sustainable but the groundwork is there to eventually enable gameplay to finally look like CGI trailers

[Carighan]

Disregarding all the negatives that come from producing AI these are the kinds of graphical leaps I have been waiting for since the 360. It is not by any means perfect or sustainable but the groundwork is there to eventually enable gameplay to finally look like CGI trailers

Great, so we can have good-looking bad games instead of bad-looking bad games. Such an evolution!

... nevermind, they wouldn't even look good because that requires graphics, not just fidelity.

[Absurdity]

... nevermind, they wouldn't even look good because that requires graphics, not just fidelity.

I mean, you're still going to have graphics.

What you probably mean is art style or art direction.

The reason I call DLSS5 garbage is because in the pursuit of "higher fidelity" it destroys any original art style that a game had.
It all looks the same, some standardized version of "realistic graphics", turning every game into the same slop from an assembly line.

[hydralus]

Because this is how you get being forced into using these products. All of that: "why do we care?" has led us to what we have now. Sooner or later they will force DLSS 5 into games and will require either 50xx rtx series or some powerful amd card in order to even activate this garbage. Devs will try to use it because companies want lower cost and more profit remember.

Same as "why care about AI, just don't use it", meanwhile AI is being forced down your throat wherever you go. You can't go against it.

Normal technologies like frame gen and past dlss versions can help older gpu's go and play games that are more demanding but dlss 5 as a whole is a thing that shouldn't have existed. AI things are getting out of hand and this is not even the beginning. The more they can cut cost, the more they'll sacrifice quality for it.

Well if they make it a non-optional feature in FFXIV then sure, you can start caring about it then.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I mean, you're still going to have graphics.

What you probably mean is art style or art direction.

The reason I call DLSS5 garbage is because in the pursuit of "higher fidelity" it destroys any original art style that a game had.
It all looks the same, some standardized version of "realistic graphics", turning every game into the same slop from an assembly line.

There's also the concern of cohesiveness. Try putting '100% realistic' model but have them use current animations present in the game.

They don't jive at all, lol.

[Absurdity]

There's also the concern of cohesiveness. Try putting '100% realistic' model but have them use current animations present in the game.

They don't jive at all, lol.

As seen with one of the earlier previews in Starfield. The hyper realistic graphics did not make the facial animations any less uncanny.

[Starien]

Hyper-realism is not something I would expect of character design in FFXIV.

Environment design, maybe, in some isolated contexts. The great thing about FFXIV is that different areas can have completely different aesthetics. Sometimes it's nice to experiment.
The Merchant's Tale comes to mind as one such experiment. The area design is whimsical and novel (pun intended). I hope we see more things like that.

Regardless, FFXIV is designed to be playable on the lower end of middling PC hardware, so thinking about this technology taking center stage isn't anything I spin braincells on.