Integrity matters

[Anonemoose]

As someone who is "amazed" and claiming they don't understand your point because they have different priorities for their time and what they care about, you follow up with this? ROFL.

What's wrong with what I said? It's perfectly in line with his reasoning. Do you mind me asking how you would feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

[ZephyrMenodora]

What's wrong with what I said? It's perfectly in line with his reasoning. Do you mind me asking how you would feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

I can hardly believe I'd have to explain the difference between caring about an arbitrary list of achievements and enjoying a character someone may have invested a decade or longer in at this point, that they intend to continue to enjoy until the game shuts down.

I find this laughable as someone claiming intellectual superiority over others and claiming only those who agree with you meaningfully contribute, while then making some dense reply like the one I quoted.

[Anonemoose]

I can hardly believe I'd have to explain the difference between caring about an arbitrary list of achievements and enjoying a character someone may have invested a decade or longer in at this point, that they intend to continue to enjoy until the game shuts down.

I find this laughable as someone claiming intellectual superiority over others and claiming only those who agree with you meaningfully contribute, while then making some dense reply like the one I quoted.

Oh so it's not actually trivial at all then? So why say that it is?

[ZephyrMenodora]

Oh so it's not actually trivial at all then? So why say that it is?

To me achievements are trivial. My attachment to my character is not, especially when I intend to continue to play XIV.

You can remove the achievement menu from XIV entirely and I'll still play.

I'm not sure why you have a hard time making distinctions like this.

[Anonemoose]

To me achievements are trivial. My attachment to my character is not, especially when I intend to continue to play XIV.

You can remove the achievement menu from XIV entirely and I'll still play.

I'm not sure why you have a hard time making distinctions like this.

But your character is just a bunch of 1's and 0's which you can save and load as character data. You also have the memories. If it's so trivial and meaningless and straightforward and simple why are you trying to draw distinctions and make excuses?

Are you ready to admit that maybe it does matter?

[Len_]

If you really believe it's so trivial, delete all of your characters right now and start again, completely fresh. After all, none of this matters and you've still got your memories, right?

The only thing that matters is my own emotional investment in my character and that is not based on anyone else's perceived value of what I've done or how I played the game. If I cared about doing something with "integrity" and the only way I could personally derive value or satisfaction from an activity is from other people acknowledging that what achieved was impressive and done without "cheating" I'd log off and spend my time doing something that actually requires skill like learning to sing, dance, or play the drums. This is a fantasy video game for babies. Most of us play it to pass the time, not as an investment into the future or to build our reputations.

[ZephyrMenodora]

But your character is just a bunch of 1's and 0's which you can save and load as character data. You also have the memories. If it's so trivial and meaningless and straightforward and simple why are you trying to draw distinctions and make excuses?

Are you ready to admit that maybe it does matter?

Because I'm not done making memories while I never cared about achievements? You do realize once upon a time games didn't have achievements at all and were still enjoyed and memorable, as we didn't need a checklist of things to do and imaginary applause that "You did that!"

[VeyaAkemi]

So to me it's a combination of two things:

1) Everything is an opportunity cost, time budget and manpower being invested and upkeeping an anti-cheat is time budget and manpower being taken away from other parts of the game, this will always be the case, and this is something that definitely would require constant upkeep, even additional maintenance, to work at all.

2) I do not trust SQEX with my PC security, not even remotely, I'd rather trust a wild fox to look after my chicken coop than SQEX with my PC's safety, the chickens are definitely far safer.

[Anonemoose]

Because I'm not done making memories while I never cared about achievements? You do realize once upon a time games didn't have achievements at all and were still enjoyed and memorable, as we didn't need a checklist of things to do and imaginary applause that "You did that!"

And you realise this thread was never simply about the in-game achievement log despite your hyper-fixation on it, right? It's about the much broader issues of plugin use, automation, cheating, modding and improper moderation which is not healthy for the game.

[Anonemoose]

The only thing that matters is my own emotional investment in my character and that is not based on anyone else's perceived value of what I've done or how I played the game. If I cared about doing something with "integrity" and the only way I could personally derive value or satisfaction from an activity is from other people acknowledging that what achieved was impressive and done without "cheating" I'd log off and spend my time doing something that actually requires skill like learning to sing, dance, or play the drums. This is a fantasy video game for babies. Most of us play it to pass the time, not as an investment into the future or to build our reputations.

Oh so it's not actually trivial after all and it does matter to you. Do you think when people are playing it to pass the time, that their time and effort should matter? Is it fair that they grind FATEs while another player has a bot doing it for them?