Relics...?

[Suirieko]

the LSs doing it in 1 or 2 weeks are a bit above average. 'typical' linkshells can expect it to take closer to 4-5+ weeks... which is why you don't see very many NA LS's with relic.



yeah, right, sure. let's just marginalize more content for the casuals. let's take the challenge and work out of every aspect of the game so there's nothing left for people who play specifically for that.

great idea, as usual. except, you know- relic is supposed to take a bit of luck, a lot of work and a lot of skill. i guess we just shouldn't bother having relic at all?

anyway, my LS has gotten full seal sets for about two dozen players now, and hamlet isn't even anywhere close to a priority. people need to stop making excuses and just get it done.

Skill is one thing. Having to repeat an event 100+ time to finish all 9 seals isn't even skill. That's just pure luck, especially when you're doing 60K~70K runs 95% of the time.

[darkstarpoet1]

Skill is one thing. Having to repeat an event 100+ time to finish all 9 seals isn't even skill. That's just pure luck, especially when you're doing 60K~70K runs 95% of the time.

no hamlets aren't skill. that is all about being dedicated and motivated to do them. the other parts of the quest outside of the hamlets and double melding are more skill involved.

most groups don't have the skill and coordination to get a 25 min speed run in either dungeon much less complete it in 17 minutes.

most groups can't go through and kill garuda in less than 10 min without anyone dying.

most groups can't beat ifrit extreme.

i'm not saying that the entire quest is skill related, but to act like the entire quest is luck based is off base. yes, there are parts that are just spam the same stuff over and over and hope to get lucky, but multiple parts of the quest does actually require skill and most groups are not able to reach the level required.

[Cascade]

no hamlets aren't skill. that is all about being dedicated and motivated to do them. the other parts of the quest outside of the hamlets and double melding are more skill involved.

most groups don't have the skill and coordination to get a 25 min speed run in either dungeon much less complete it in 17 minutes.

most groups can't go through and kill garuda in less than 10 min without anyone dying.

most groups can't beat ifrit extreme.

i'm not saying that the entire quest is skill related, but to act like the entire quest is luck based is off base. yes, there are parts that are just spam the same stuff over and over and hope to get lucky, but multiple parts of the quest does actually require skill and most groups are not able to reach the level required.

you didn't even add in the FNMs some of those fights are rough and ive seen groups wipe to them for 3 days

[Suirieko]

no hamlets aren't skill. that is all about being dedicated and motivated to do them.

Never implied that Hamlets are skill. It's about luck, unless you're willing to work your ass off to get #1, #2, and #3, and it's still about partially luck and more about a lot of work.

the other parts of the quest outside of the hamlets and double melding are more skill involved.

most groups don't have the skill and coordination to get a 25 min speed run in either dungeon much less complete it in 17 minutes.

Never denied that's skill. That is truly skill, as it is the skill of teamwork.

most groups can't go through and kill garuda in less than 10 min without anyone dying.

most groups can't beat ifrit extreme.

I agree.

i'm not saying that the entire quest is skill related, but to act like the entire quest is luck based is off base. yes, there are parts that are just spam the same stuff over and over and hope to get lucky, but multiple parts of the quest does actually require skill and most groups are not able to reach the level required.

My post is mainly about Hamlet, not the rest of the quest. The rest of the quest is definitely about group skill and hardwork. There is no denying that at all. Hamlet is just a bullshit part of the whole thing.