PLD Gear?

[Molly_Millions]

Beat av yet? Oh okay. Here's something that might be a little easier than miser for you then.

nope, because I don't have the time to dedicate to beating all of the dungeons as soon as they come out. I have a real job and don't live in mommy's basement. When I am logged in, I do a lot of things to help players in my shell get what they need to accomplish their goals. I help with AF quests, moogles, ifrit, darkhold, HD, stronghold bosses, etc. whenever needed, am currently in a garuda static as well. The bottom line is, I haven't really tried AV. Lodestone achievements are not an indicator of skill. You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone I play with that'd say I'm not a skilled tank.

Why is 7 defense better than 10 block power 20 hp and magic mitigation?

When you are comparing materia in this way it's probably best not to compare a perfect tier IV to a tier I. I'm not even going to answer this.


tier I bloodwall (DEF) range from 2-8

tier IV VIT (10 block power 20 hp and magic mitigation) range from 16-20


Now, if you want to compare apples to apples, 20 DEF to 20 VIT (10 block power 20 hp and magic mitigation), it's kind of a wash. But if you want bang-for-your-buck in a single area, 20 DEF has the most affect in any one single area, physical def. You don't use the 10 block every time you get hit, only when you block, so it's usefulness is negligible. Also, bear in mind that quite a few of your blocks are due to using aegis boon. When you're getting cured by blocking, damage mitigation from blocks isn't very important. It'd be interesting to see how much DEF, 10 block translates into in terms of physical damage mitigated, I'm guessing the number is close to 10 def. but that would be 10 DEF every hit blocked instead of 10 def every time you're hit.

As Kaeko pointed out, damage mitigation when looked at in terms of usefulness in a party is negligible as well because of WHMs healing power. So in my opinion, it's better to focus on a single area (physical damage mitigation) then spreading the benefit across several different damage mitigating stats.

[Judge_Xero]

Physical damage mitigation from VIT comes from the amount of DEF that VIT adds. So, you have the same problem with VIT, but you get less DEF from your VIT than you get from stacking DEF directly. By stacking VIT you can make up for this with magical defense and enhancing magic potency. So tbh the effectiveness of DEF or VIT is kind of a wash and is more up to your own play style.

I have seen absolutely no testing on magical defense. For this discussion, we can assume that m.DEF suffers from the same dlvl curve as DEF. So the debate really comes down to what do you want to achieve with your chest piece. Do you want physical damage mitigation, HP, or a mix of m.DEF/DEF/enhancing magic potency? You then need to weigh the effectiveness of each against the stats of your other gear and decide what's best for your build.

I think the biggest thing you can take away from that testing is that anywhere you are effected greatly by Dlvl, your best option for damage reduction would be VIT > Def.

Not for the Def/Mdef but for the Block value you get. Since it's a straight % gain per stat, with a limited effect by Dlvl. (now that it's fixed)

So 100 VIT or 100 Def over 1000 Damage Attack (physical)

VIT - 100 HP, 66 Def, 66 Mdef, 10% Block - 989 or 900 when blocked
Def - 100 Def - 980

With Divine Veil always on cooldown you're 20 sec/min @ 100% Block
so say every 5 seconds you get a 1000 damage attack.

VIT - 60 sec - 11512 Damage
Def - 60 sec - 11760 Damage

From estimated calculations of Ifrit, that it would take near 1900 Def to reach the damage floor, and what appears to be around 1600 to see any great benefit.

Calculations aren't exact, but are used to give a close idea

[Stufoo]

When you are comparing materia in this way it's probably best not to compare a perfect tier IV to a tier I

You are so dumb

20 VIT gives 13 defense so the difference between a perfect 20 VIT and a perfect 20 DEF is only 7 in that category alone, plus all the other stuff VIT gives.

Wow

As Kaeko pointed out, damage mitigation when looked at in terms of usefulness in a party is negligible as well because of WHMs healing power. So in my opinion, it's better to focus on a single area (physical damage mitigation)

That's the thing, because of shields, VIT is better than defense 20:20 on bosses, on physical damage alone. It is focused on a single area. Also, I guess now it's okay to talk about white mages? You seemed pretty against it before! What changed?

[Neversleeps]

What materia can you put on a chest piece that will contribute to damage or enmity for a PLD?

Afaik, there is none, hence my focus on damage mitigation.

For your chest piece, it's not the materia that is relevant to DD Tanking but the gear itself. If you're lucky, the Darklight Cuirass is an excellent piece to use as it offers Str : +15, Vit : +15, Attack Power : +20, Crit Attack Power : +50 and the same defense as a Cobalt Cuirass +1.

If you are unable to get the Darklight Cuirass (really, it's just a luck thing so this isn't a comment on lack of skill or any other such bs), your best bets are to either go with a Darksteel/Cobalt Haubergeon. They offer STR, Accuracy, and Att. All useful stats when trying to DD, and moderately good defense as well. As you pointed out, there is really no good DD materia associated with bodies. As a result, the best for all around usage would probably be HP (universally the best because it also affects SW damage and having too much HP never hurt). Vit or Defense aren't bad options either, but it really depends on what you're tanking.

For the body, it's mainly just about getting away from the habit of using the highest defense, best 'tanking stats' piece and being willing to sacrifice some HP, some Def, and some Vit to go with a non-traditional body piece in the Haubergeon.

[Molly_Millions]

VIT - 66 Def, 66 Mdef, 10% Block - 989 or 900 when blocked
Def - 100 Def - 980

But what's the amount of damage mitigated when you don't block? And what percentage of attacks do you successfully block? What then, is the average amount of damage mitigated via VIT?

Over 1000 successful attacks against you, which is mitigates more damage? I haven't done the math, but my money is on DEF.

[Stufoo]

I haven't done the math

Welp. Maybe you should go do that.

[SwordCoheir]

What materia can you put on a chest piece that will contribute to damage or enmity for a PLD? Afaik, there is none, hence my focus on damage mitigation.

There isn't any DD materia out ther that would contribute to DPS save for Crit. Pot., though being your always on the mob you may have more opportunities to Crit than others, so it's a toss up.

IMO the best DD body pieces you could obtain are

-Darklight Cuirass (Str : +15, Vit : +15, Attack Power : +20, Crit Attack Power : +50, Evasion : -10, Healing Magic Potency : -30)

-Gridanian Officers Overcoat (Str : +10, Dex : +10, Int : +10, Pty : +10, Sanction: Crit Attack Power +120)

-Lominsan Officers Overcoat (Str : +10, Dex : +10, Vit : +10, Mnd : +10, Sanction: Defense +70) <--- Personal choice.

-Darksteel Haubergeon (Attack Power : +7, Accuracy : +8, Str : +7, Crit Attack Power : +10) Preferably with Crit. Atk. Melds or Def your choice.

-Gallant Surcoat (Recovers MP during Cover , MP : +40, Mnd : +12, Healing Magic Potency : +3, Enmity : +3) Mostly because it has a decent bit of MND but there ARE much better choices.

-Uldahn Officer's Overcoat (Vit : +10, Int : +10, Mnd : +10, Pty : +10, Sanction: Magic Accuracy +15) Pretty Meh, but posted it just incase someone was curious

[Molly_Millions]

Welp. Maybe you should go do that.

Only if you promise to do like your namesake and STFU.

[Molly_Millions]

Tbh, Judge, I don't think we can count blocks when aegis boon is in effect because you end up gaining HP, not losing it. We can only count blocks done without it.

[GreyJorildyn]

Looks like someone played rl card. You lose.

Shameful and warrants an apology.

Saying "content that just came out" or w/e about content that is 5 months old is crazy. Haven't cleared dungeons yet? Then not in a good position to give advice as myself and others have stated. 25mins are easy and can be done comfortably done with 6. Furthermore if your group cannot accomplish this with you then by extension they cannot claim you are (objectively) a "skilled tank". Look at the bigger picture before making statements like this.

In any case I think the OP has his answer many times over by now.