PLD Gear?

[Aceofspades]

Ok, I am the troll I guess. You're the one throwing around the conclusions with nothing to back it up, not even game experience and accomplishments. You didn't even know VIT gives you block power. You don't know how to correctly read the damage parses you record yourself. You didn't even know you could calculate enmity, and you've criticized people for months about having specific figures for provoke and flash. You think Enmity+ benefits a DPS oriented tank more, this is not true, it is a flat percentage boost for all enmity generation, and is equal on every method. That's why we use it, it's universal.




I already showed you a 3/3 Heavy Darklight build with more defense and more vitality than your materia stacked gear. It also has 500 more HP and 200 more enmity. Literally every full HDL paladin can do this. Their "HP/ENMITY built" also just happens to have more DEF and VIT than you too. Why is it not a "HP/ENMITY/DEF/VIT" build? You trash HDL so much, I am starting to become suspicious... Are you racist? Nah, probably not. You just can't get it, and for that, I am truly sorry. I hope when 2.0 comes out I can find you in the cross-server content finder and tank it for you, and help you get tokens. I really do. You can play black mage

If you want to bring up quad meld DEF bodies and shields I'll just tell you to stop because the majority of players in endgame still wouldn't give up HDL for a defense gain on body. It's not possible because of our damage dealers. You are an indignant, poor, fool who has no clue how this game is played. See, we know what the stats do. You don't. I don't post stat formulas because the people I care about already know what they do. Thanks Kaeko!



No, the fact I have 4600 HP means I can do whatever the hell I want and never die. I stand in every single Chimera breath on purpose and heal myself because I can. I thought you'd appreciate this, you seemed so against dodging Coincounter's attacks because you could mitigate them, which by the way is so easy even WAR does it better. Well hey, not only am I mitigating them, I'm healing myself and gaining enmity! You should be worshipping me with your bad logic.

We take one white mage in and he is never close to my enmity, he's mostly a regen bot and esuna bot for when I can't be bothered to move out of Breath of the Dragon, and he nukes ants so my black mages kill Chimera before the ant phase is over. You can't even kill Chimera, much less support the enmity generation to accomplish a 3 minute kill. You just can't do that in your gear.

Remember Ace, I'm only a jerk because you're stupid. You made this happen. It's all your fault. Have a good day!

(PS: I know you don't have a lot of experience with Chimera, so I'll give you a cool hint. Breath of the Dragon is the one that paralyzes you)

Soo you cant win with facts, you revert to trolling , and when that fails to grab positive attention you revert to lies and bashing. If the way I tank bothers you soo much, then dont do it. If my lack of in game acomplishments are enough for you to reguard my posts as useless, then dont read them. The fact you insist on responding to those you dont agree with soo violantly just further proves that you are soo unwilling to be openminded and actualy test the gear yourself , prolly in fear of your Epeen shrinking. It is a FACT, a FACT, stufoo, stacking HDL vs melded hq cobalt DOSE NOT GIVE YOU MORE DEF AND VIT . If you think that DLH is the ends all for tank gear, then GREAT! wear it and have fun. But for those intrested in fruitfull debate, I challange you to ignor the charts and graphs released and test the gear yourself.

Btw the test reguarding enmity , where it can be accurate as far as testing your personal hate pull on a individual mob, it can not be trusted to give 100% conclusive results when you take into consideration the numerous , constantly changing, factors that will ultimatly effect the test . And the reason why the enmity stat is more effect for DPS tanks is because the multiplier is more active with that type of tank , not to mention the enmity bonus already given to plds through mind, those two reasons combined are more then enough to put mind above enmity as a stat to stack for hate controll , for pld.

best advice I can give is to spend less time trying to find ways to trash other posters and actually test the gear, grats on all you speed runs, but in the hay of all that excitement you forgot that if the boss you were fighting was truly a challange you would not be zerging it in 3minutes. I dont boast about a 2minute Coin Counter burn, even tho I hold ample hate to get it done, because my static has done it, nor do i boast about having absoulutely no whm support and tanking ifrit while raising the dead whm and having enough hp left to give that single whm enough time to raise two other people, even tho I have done that too. And yes, even tho I have not beatin Miser yet, I have tanked her down to 10% health, holding hate just fine, and taking damage soo well the whms have little to do but nuke and esuna. Same with Chimera, I do not tank chimera from the front, this greatly reduces the amount of enmity I can pull due to not having fast blade> flat blade at my disposal 100% of the time, but I still manage to pull of holding hate with my best DD scoring 1600+ crits on him. Not having beatin a mob dose not mean my tank is not good enough, there are too many factors involved in that win. You posting lies and boasting claims seems to be like a stretch for you to maintain what little is left of your Epeen. Dont bother responding as I wont bother with you anymore. The dev was right, constructive critism is all this thread needs. You should find your way to the exit, stufoo.

[Stufoo]

It is a FACT, a FACT, stufoo, stacking HDL vs melded hq cobalt DOSE NOT GIVE YOU MORE DEF AND VIT . If you think that DLH is the ends all for tank gear, then GREAT! wear it and have fun.

I guess I'll repost this.

My Gear

Curtana
Holy Shield: 25
HDL Body: 308
Sent Belt: 29
HDL Legs: 218
HDL Hands: 85
Underwear: 14
Stonewall Ear: 3
Militia Neck: 12
Raptorskin Wristband: 13
Electrum: 1
Stonewall Ring: 5
GLA traits: 30
Base defense: 20

Total: 3807 HP
Total: 763 Defense
Total: 313 Vitality
Total: 404 Accuracy

Ace's Gear

Skirmish Weapon
Vintage Kite: 39
Cobalt Cuirass: 222
Cobalt Celata: 95
Cobalt Gauntlets: 77
Felt Trousers: 137
Cobalt Belt: 30
Explorer's Sabatons: 75 (He didn't post these in his screenshot, I almost missed them. Is he ashamed? )
Underwear: 14
Stonewall Ear: 3
Stonewall Choker: 11
Coral Armillae: 8
Vit Ring: 1
Vit Ring: 1
GLA Traits: 30
Base defense: 20

Total: 3472 HP
Total: 763 Defense
Total: 374 Vitality
Total: 352 Accuracy

Remember, weapon, shield meld, belt, and jewelry have nothing to do with Heavy Darklight. If I wore your stupid shield and for some reason decided to use your melded VIT sword over relic, I'd have...

Total: 773 Defense (10 more than you)
Total: 383 Vitality (9 more than you)

Now, that we've established that nothing but Head+Body, Hands, Legs+feet are relevant, let's compare those.

HDL Body+Head: 308, 20v
HDL Hands: 85, 12v
HDL Legs+Feet: 218, 12v

Total Def: 611
Total VIT: 44

Cobalt Body (222) + Cobalt Head (95): 317, 7v
Cobalt Hands: 77
Trousers (137, 20v) + Explorers Feet: (75, 7v): 212, 27v

Total Def: 606
Total VIT: 34

Heavy Darklight has more Defense and Vitality than your gear, which you are proud of melding. It has a lot more HP, and it has a lot more enmity. You are completely wrong for not wanting it (oh but I know you doooo).

I would LOVE to see your HP/ENMITY built take the damage I take

Well you see, I can't. Because I have more Def and Vit than you, I would take less. I'm terribly sorry, but you won't see what you'd love to.

However, this setup is fundamentally crippled from the start because you have like 350 accuracy and won't hit a god damned thing, period, ever. Your gear does not function in endgame. It lacks accuracy and enmity to provide reliable, consistent hate gain on bosses to an extent that damage dealers can go all out. If you played this game with competent players (aka: ones that won't party with you) you would realize these things. Sort of a catch 22 there.

You don't have to get mad just because I have higher DEF and VIT than you with Heavy Darklight, you'll beat me one day. Keep bankrupting yourself on stupid melds for absolutely pointless gear setups.


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As a contrast, let's look at Ace's comparisons of an "HDL Paladin" and His.

Attributes Darklight Heavy Leggs/Feet
Defense218HP140Vitality12Dexterity12Evasion-20Magic Evasion10Enmity25

Attributes Darklight Heavy Body/HeadDefense308HP160Vitality20Evasion-20Magic Evasion10Regen5Enmity45

Attributes Darlight Heavy HandsDefense85HP80Vitality12Mind12Evasion-20Magic Evasion5Enmity45
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Total Def: 611

Total Vit: 44
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+ 39 Def for the shield = 650
+ 34 vit for the sword = 78 vit

With my Current gear, Def is 763 and vit is 375. 814 Def 381 vit with full party and food.

Conclusion; DLH is overrated for PLD set up.

I don't even think he batted an eye when he noticed (or maybe he didn't notice, this IS the man who posted a 121% overall block rate parse (I would ask myself why anyone would listen to this person but I know nobody does, god bless you all)) that there was a 113 defense gap between the two "sets". He compared the three HDL pieces to his entire total on his gear screen. He left off belt, traits, base defense, and jewelry. He even added food to the gap when it's a complete non-factor. He is too inept to do any kind of actual "brain work" on this game and how you should play it. Completely, utterly, shamefully, bad at the game.

I'd warn you as to which posters you probably don't want to be taking advice from on the PLD forums, but I think it would be an insult on your intelligence to think you can't figure this one out on your own.

Aceofspades, I love you. Unironically. If you were near me in real life I would pet your nose.

I would not mind if you stopped posting though.

[Sylkis]

This thread belongs in General(trash)...



Anyway my PLD is built around ENM/ACC/STR/MND for as much hate as possible because you will not have much time to build it against bosses you care about; you will be dodging as much as possible.

[Verytus]

Hey guys,

I've been reading through this thread and like so many others, it's had a lot of good stuff said that has unfortunately spilled over from an argument between people to an argument about people. We're fine with people having spirited debate and attacking each others arguments constructively, but if personal attacks persist, we will have to close this thread, so let's try to keep on topic and just keep it civil.

Thanks for all your posts!

-Verytus

[Darkillumina]

This thread is gold. Regardless, the only thing I have to add is the recommendation of the Militia gorget. The few who posted the raw stats and know what's up. I salute you. You know who you are.

With regards to the Militia Gorget, I am of the opinion that it is a tad bit overrated. I had one and tried it out in various situations but ending up selling it. The reason being that I prefer the +15 accuracy and crit hit + the explorer's offers or even the attack the electrum +1 offers. This is personal preference of course but I prefer to hit hard and hit accurately, doubly so on Warrior. Even with 2 minute Miser kills, the militia gorget didn't make or break the fight with regards to Miser turning.

Enmity is an important stat and that 3% may raise the parties DPS ceiling a wee bit, but for me I just simply prefer what the explorer's or the electrum offers. Again, this is personal preference. I look at each battle differently and gear accordingly. But I have never yet encountered a situation where the militia gorget made or broke any of our runs. So basically if you need some enmity help, get it but if you don't notice too much of a difference, sell it and enjoy your 10-15 million.

Also just to follow up on the lominsan overcoat; That thing is boss. It covers all a paladins needs with an extra 70 defense with sanction enabled (220 Defence.) Another bonus is the Lominsan weapons offering inherent accuracy when compared to the Moogle weapons. Honestly, if you are a career tank starting out, the Maelstrom offers the best tanking gear hands down.

[MoarLegion]

This thread is gold. Regardless, the only thing I have to add is the recommendation of the Militia gorget. The few who posted the raw stats and know what's up. I salute you. You know who you are.

With regards to the Militia Gorget, I am of the opinion that it is a tad bit overrated. I had one and tried it out in various situations but ending up selling it. The reason being that I prefer the +15 accuracy and crit hit + the explorer's offers or even the attack the electrum +1 offers. This is personal preference of course but I prefer to hit hard and hit accurately, doubly so on Warrior. Even with 2 minute Miser kills, the militia gorget didn't make or break the fight with regards to Miser turning.

Enmity is an important stat and that 3% may raise the parties DPS ceiling a wee bit, but for me I just simply prefer what the explorer's or the electrum offers. Again, this is personal preference. I look at each battle differently and gear accordingly. But I have never yet encountered a situation where the militia gorget made or broke any of our runs. So basically if you need some enmity help, get it but if you don't notice too much of a difference, sell it and enjoy your 10-15 million.

The militia gorget is probably one of the best neck pieces you can get if somehow you can get your str/mnd/acc caps and not have to worry about getting one of those stats through another piece of jewelery. However, I'm pretty sure that's only feasible with triple melded+ gear, if at all.

That said, I actually use the Militia Gorget specifically for hamlet before the NM pops. With every piece of enmity available to me I can pull shit off the crafter/gatherer's with one voke and flash.

[Chadwick]

yall r gonna get in trouble!

[SwordCoheir]

Of course one could argue that in the terms of the inexperienced and newer player such things like HDL and Garuda weapons would be completely out of the question, but in either case all options should be mentioned rather than the best or most available.

[Molly_Millions]

Of course one could argue that in the terms of the inexperienced and newer player such things like HDL and Garuda weapons would be completely out of the question, but in either case all options should be mentioned rather than the best or most available.

It's the same thing in the weapons threads, Garuda weapons are the best, but you don't see people say hey go get a garuda weapon, as if they drop from the sky. (Well they sorta do, but that's not the point.) No, people reccommend the LT weapons first because they are easier to obtain. We all know that prior to a relic, a garuda weapon is the best thing there is, but you can't exactly just get into a simple pug group and go get one.

[Brannigan]

Well Garuda's Gaze ain't all that great compared to the Maelstrom/Adders weapons (or even Mogblade, really). The others are mostly fine. Besides that, Garuda weapons are some of the only drops in the game you can ACTUALLY count on. She always drops 2 tokens on a quick win (which you'll most likely get since long Garuda is usually a wipe) and isn't really all that tough to kill.

Really I don't think suggesting drops is that unreasonable. Pickup groups are more than capable of Garuda as long as they aren't the kind of guys who wipe to stuff like skirmish.