[dev 1021] [Suggestion] Please consider this SP loss system for Death

[Mugiwara]

whats wrong with our gaming community these days..., everyone is crying about losing SP. well it is supposed to be a PENALTY, i don't think its much of a penalty if i get a smack on my hand, that wouldn't be much of a deterrent for me to not die and tighten up my game would it? Of course people may bitch and whine, but the truth will you WOULD try not to die as much. The goal would be accomplished with the use of a PENALTY.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

whats wrong with our gaming community these days..., everyone is crying about losing SP. well it is supposed to be a PENALTY, i don't think its much of a penalty if i get a smack on my hand, that wouldn't be much of a deterrent for me to not die and tighten up my game would it? Of course people may bitch and whine, but the truth will you WOULD try not to die as much. The goal would be accomplished with the use of a PENALTY.

No one is saying there shouldn't be a penalty, no one wants a SP penalty.

[Kaedan]

No one is saying there shouldn't be a penalty, no one wants a SP penalty.

Ok. Again... why? What is so inherently evil and scary about losing SP compared to something else?

See, this only goes to prove that SP is really the only good discouragement to death. Everyone's willing to accept Equipment damage or gil because they know it won't mean anything, just like now.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

Ok. Again... why? What is so inherently evil and scary about losing SP compared to something else?

See, this only goes to prove that SP is really the only good discouragement to death. Everyone's willing to accept Equipment damage or gil because they know it won't mean anything, just like now.

Your whole stupid buy SP back idea is similar to getting your equipment repaired, so by your logic, it won't mean anything because people can just buy it back. With most MMOs these days don't have an EXP loss upon death, so why should XIV? Anyway I don't know why I'm arguing with you, you haven't really given me a reason why SP loss would be better other than the subjective people would play better argument. Also in this thread only two or three people agree with you and Yoshi-P doesn't want an SP penalty, so I'm just wasting my time.

[DeadRiser]

Your whole stupid buy SP back idea is similar to getting your equipment repaired, so by your logic, it won't mean anything because people can just buy it back. With most MMOs these days don't have an EXP loss upon death, so why should XIV? Anyway I don't know why I'm arguing with you, you haven't really given me a reason why SP loss would be better other than the subjective people would play better argument. Also in this thread only two or three people agree with you and Yoshi-P doesn't want an SP penalty, so I'm just wasting my time.

Yes so just get the eff off this thread and quit posting because you obvioulsy didn't read the whole post

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

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Be quiet Kaedan's dog.

[Kaedan]

Your whole stupid buy SP back idea is similar to getting your equipment repaired, so by your logic, it won't mean anything because people can just buy it back. With most MMOs these days don't have an EXP loss upon death, so why should XIV? Anyway I don't know why I'm arguing with you, you haven't really given me a reason why SP loss would be better other than the subjective people would play better argument. Also in this thread only two or three people agree with you and Yoshi-P doesn't want an SP penalty, so I'm just wasting my time.

Actually, I have. It's in the OP.

The problem here is you are making the claim that we shouldn't have SP loss. But you have failed to give even 1 reason why. How about you start at the beginning (giving reasons for why SP is a bad idea) rather than just saying, "Mommy, I don't want to eat my brocolli!"

By the way, "Other MMOs don't have xp loss" is not an argument since there are LOTS of MMOs that have xp loss.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

Actually, I have. It's in the OP.

The problem here is you are making the claim that we shouldn't have SP loss. But you have failed to give even 1 reason why. How about you start at the beginning (giving reasons for why SP is a bad idea) rather than just saying, "Mommy, I don't want to eat my brocolli!"

By the way, "Other MMOs don't have xp loss" is not an argument since there are LOTS of MMOs that have xp loss.

What's in your OP, the only thing I see is that money won't be a deterrent. That's not much of a good reason, especially since the same applies for your system. You haven't given me a good reason why having an SP loss would be better, the only thing you've said is choice, which ALSO in an equipment repair system. Hell, you haven't disproved that your system is vastly different from an equipment repair system. It's your job to convince me why an SP loss system would be better, because the system I want is going to be in place.

Anyway, the reason I don't want to lose SP is because it's nothing but a timesink, nothing is worse than spending an hour, two hours, or three hours getting a bunch of EXP and seeing half of it go away because of one death. All that wasted time, I could be getting my subjob quest done, but now I have to level up again. Now you're probably gonna say, "It's a penalty, it's supposed to be bad!!", but if it's so supposed to be that way, why are you even suggesting an option to buy it back? I still think there's other ways to penalize players than taking away SP.

I said MMOs these days, besides if there's LOTS of MMOs with EXP loss then you should probably be playing those instead. Anyway this is last post in this topic, I don't care what else you write, so you don't even have to respond to this message.

[Kaedan]

Anyway, the reason I don't want to lose SP is because it's nothing but a timesink, nothing is worse than spending an hour, two hours, or three hours getting a bunch of EXP and seeing half of it go away because of one death. All that wasted time, I could be getting my subjob quest done, but now I have to level up again. Now you're probably gonna say, "It's a penalty, it's supposed to be bad!!", but if it's so supposed to be that way, why are you even suggesting an option to buy it back? I still think there's other ways to penalize players than taking away SP.

Gear damage is a timesink. Weakness is a timesink... any form of penalty is a timesink. So you have no point. My point is that Gil is so easy to get, that it's not a significant enough discouragement. If you would bother reading, I said I prefer Anima as the buyback currency, but I put Gil in there as an option for SE to consider as well.

I finally see your problem. You seem to think that you'll lose hours of SP from a single death. That's RIDICULOUS. I suggested maybe 5% of the SP needed to level. SP penalties don't have to be as harsh as they were in FFXI.

I said MMOs these days, besides if there's LOTS of MMOs with EXP loss then you should probably be playing those instead. Anyway this is last post in this topic, I don't care what else you write, so you don't even have to respond to this message.

So very mature of you. At least we won't need to listen to you repeating "I don't want SP loss" over and over without any real reasoning behind it. I especially loved the "go back to <insert MMO> retort". *rolleyes*

Aion was released "these days". It has an xp penalty.

[darkstarpoet1]

whats wrong with our gaming community these days..., everyone is crying about losing SP. well it is supposed to be a PENALTY, i don't think its much of a penalty if i get a smack on my hand, that wouldn't be much of a deterrent for me to not die and tighten up my game would it? Of course people may bitch and whine, but the truth will you WOULD try not to die as much. The goal would be accomplished with the use of a PENALTY.

i don't know about you, but i try not to die at all. yes, there are occasional hickups in a battle in which things go badly, but that is because i try to fight the toughest mob i can at that point in my character. all a sp loss penalty is going to do is cause r30 characters to camp r20 areas just because there would be no chance in dying. it does not encourage not dying it encourages easier fights and people not willing to fight harder mobs. if you need a deterrent not to die then you are not trying to be the best in the game anyways and need a push to do so.