SP loss end of story.

[Kaedan]

My god people, why don't you think things through and look at options before getting all pissed off about it. Here's a great way they could do it to satisfy everyone:

-First death = loss of SP + weakness. A portion (or even all) can be bought back using Gil or possibly Anima.
-Second death while still under weakness (or within a time frame) = Lose more SP + double weakness. Originally lost SP cannot be bought back.
-Third death (maybe not necessary) = Permanent loss of SP (no buyback), double weakness, loss of Anima.

And keep in mind, under this proposed system, you would not delevel... lowest you could go is 0 XP (with possible XP debt). Aion does a system similar to this and it works pretty darn well.

[Zenaku]

My god people, why don't you think things through and look at options before getting all pissed off about it. Here's a great way they could do it to satisfy everyone:

-First death = loss of SP + weakness. A portion (or even all) can be bought back using Gil or possibly Anima.
-Second death while still under weakness (or within a time frame) = Lose more SP + double weakness. Originally lost SP cannot be bought back.
-Third death (maybe not necessary) = Permanent loss of SP (no buyback), double weakness, loss of Anima.

And keep in mind, under this proposed system, you would not delevel... lowest you could go is 0 XP (with possible XP debt). Aion does a system similar to this and it works pretty darn well.

Sound like a great system let's see if yoshi-p can see it.

[Grimm]

My god people, why don't you think things through and look at options before getting all pissed off about it. Here's a great way they could do it to satisfy everyone:

-First death = loss of SP + weakness. A portion (or even all) can be bought back using Gil or possibly Anima.
-Second death while still under weakness (or within a time frame) = Lose more SP + double weakness. Originally lost SP cannot be bought back.
-Third death (maybe not necessary) = Permanent loss of SP (no buyback), double weakness, loss of Anima.

And keep in mind, under this proposed system, you would not delevel... lowest you could go is 0 XP (with possible XP debt). Aion does a system similar to this and it works pretty darn well.

I like this option I think it should only be payable with anima since everyone seems to care more about anima than gil. Brilliant idea!

Edit: So people can choose what's more important that moment their anima or their SP.

[Kaedan]

Cool. I'll put a dev tag on it and post it in Battle mechanics I guess.

[Zenaku]

Cool. I'll put a dev tag on it and post it in Battle mechanics I guess.

sound great too me

[Galamantyl]

I am in favor of players sucking it up

I am in favor of noobs going back to playing crappy games like FFXIII

I am in favor of losing SP/EXP when dying

I am strongly against rewarding people for stupidly putting themselves in danger since there's no risk or penalty

[PandaTaru]

Don't bother adding a dev tag, it's double thread. it has been answered in another thread that there will not be any SP loss.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...0222#post60222

[Shaone]

The thing is it's not enough. Since when is dying an okay thing? I thought the goal of most games is not to die. But if all they can think of is gear damage and repairs that is never going to change.

Really was exp a penalty in XI?

I never thought about exp loss in XI unless we were talking 40k+ in the space of an event... only after that amount was I in danger of a delevel. And the first thing I would do is go and get that buffer back.

You do what you do to get the job done. I have happily shed 20k exp zombie-ing a NM with only RR1 after a wipe while waiting for members to job change / arrive etc without a seconds hesitation. The only penalty for me is when a God / Jailer / ZNM depops, or a timeout in BCNM / Limbus / Dyna / etc as nobody was in a position where they can safely RR.

Exp loss barely even registers in comparison in those situations.

[Grimm]

Don't bother adding a dev tag, it's double thread. it has been answered in another thread that there will not be any SP loss.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...0222#post60222

As far as I can tell

Not currently planning on having a loss of SP/XP at this point in time

Means not at this time, not forever. Also I noticed them asking us to keep discussing it.

[Grimm]

Really was exp a penalty in XI?

I never thought about exp loss in XI unless we were talking 40k+ in the space of an event... only after that amount was I in danger of a delevel. And the first thing I would do is go and get that buffer back.

You do what you do to get the job done. I have happily shed 20k exp zombie-ing a NM with only RR1 after a wipe while waiting for members to job change / arrive etc without a seconds hesitation. The only penalty for me is when a God / Jailer / ZNM depops, or a timeout in BCNM / Limbus / Dyna / etc as nobody was in a position where they can safely RR.

Exp loss barely even registers in comparison in those situations.

If it did not bother you in XI it won't bother you here. so you don't care either way?