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  1. #71
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    Originally Posted by Elgeron
    I´m againts bonuses and I propose specific races related events in the main storyline, like lalafells going trought a tiny hole in the second scenario quest while hyur convice the guard to let him in or the Mi´qote use their agility to reach an open window ect, being short but differents and fun paths to the end of the quest, with fights that are suited for 1-2 players and fun puzzles to solve where you can gain bonus exp, guil or items if you do it right or in an specific way.
    Sounds like a "Bait & switch" quest from FFxi. How about a naked low-level Lalafells race through a beastman strong hold? The winner gets a pumpkin pie!

    Oh, I'm against race specific bonuses.
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    Last edited by PSxpert2011; 08-30-2012 at 02:54 AM.


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    Pretty sure most people picked Mithra in FFXI because they got to play as a catgirl, not because of the DEX.

    That's not to say some didn't do it for that, but seeing how most people tend to gear themselves by diving into a dumpster and wearing whatever sticks, I don't think a handful of a particular stat that they likely don't even understand influenced race choice.
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  3. #73
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch View Post
    Pretty sure most people picked Mithra in FFXI because they got to play as a catgirl, not because of the DEX.

    That's not to say some didn't do it for that...

    Ah ah ah... yeah! I'm sure most guys enjoyed seeing their tails swing from behind. Basicly the same reason most guys enjoyed playing "Tomb Raider". It's the female version of Indiana Jones, with boobs & ass!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sounsyy View Post
    Have race-based stat differences and then have point allotments. You have the option of boosting stats you already excel in or need for your job, or you can choose to boost the deficiencies based on race. Point allotments are per job, so you'd only really be missing those few points of whatever you're missing for one job maybe two. And you can add point allotments to make up for it.
    Problem is, this isn't a game where people play one job, or even one type of job. When you advertise being able to excel at all jobs you want to try, it isn't a good mechanic to not allow that. Stat bonuses just ensure that one race will excel at certain things, and no-one else can ever match them.

    Some may try to claim that equipment makes up for such, but it doesn't. All that the bonus bearing race has to do is get the same boosted equipment and they yet again exceed all others. All the equipment and freebie points in the world won't change that, because stat bonuses are by their nature an imbalance.

    If bonus just have to be implemented, it should be in a manner that everyone benefits in the same way, but at different times. For example, one race get's a 3% xp boost at night for x amount of time, while another would get it during the day.
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    They are adding race specific gear. I'm sure the stats will be different on those. Otherwise, no thanks.
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    No, racials bring an imbalance to the game that are completely unnecessary. If you want racials, just unsub from ffxiv and go buy world of warcraft and enjoy that dying game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexNiculaie View Post
    Problem is, this isn't a game where people play one job, or even one type of job. When you advertise being able to excel at all jobs you want to try, it isn't a good mechanic to not allow that. Stat bonuses just ensure that one race will excel at certain things, and no-one else can ever match them.

    Some may try to claim that equipment makes up for such, but it doesn't. All that the bonus bearing race has to do is get the same boosted equipment and they yet again exceed all others. All the equipment and freebie points in the world won't change that, because stat bonuses are by their nature an imbalance.

    If bonus just have to be implemented, it should be in a manner that everyone benefits in the same way, but at different times. For example, one race get's a 3% xp boost at night for x amount of time, while another would get it during the day.
    Why implementing something that shouldn't make a difference? To benefit everyone in the same way means to not benefit anyone ... so they could leave things the way they are now as well.

    Let's not joke about "Some may try to claim that equipment makes up for such, but it doesn't." ... the most kickass BLM I've ever seen playing FFXI was an elvan ... the "dumbest" class talking about INT ...

    Base stats were nothing more than a funny difference ... you could easily overcome that, with amazing results, adding fun to the game ... to see Taru Dark Knights enjoy the slaughter doing Insurgency, Galkas as summoner, "real human males" choosing Mithras only for their look without even thinking about stats etc. was really part of the fun ...
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    Last edited by Hollow; 08-30-2012 at 04:42 AM.
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    I guess I'm against racial 'skills'.

    The problem with unique race abilities/skills is that they will likely be either be unbalancing or useless.

    I'm very much in favor of Race stat bonuses long as they taper off near the cap. Though personally I think RSE stats are a much better way to enhance racial differences

    Still, there are far more important things for the devs to work on atm. I'd say it is best to shelve this idea and come back to it after 2.0 has been around awhile.
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    I am against race based bonuses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tou View Post
    No, racials bring an imbalance to the game that are completely unnecessary. If you want racials, just unsub from ffxiv and go buy world of warcraft and enjoy that dying game.
    You heard it here first guys. If you want racials, go play WoW. You know, the dying game with 10mil+ more subs than this hugely successful game here.

    It's a shame that so many people think it's impossible to add any amount of variance between the races without it being balanced. You all must absolutely hate games like FFXI then.
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