Forked Tower

[Khryseis_Astra]

Yeah im thinking they should, if there are no plans to do already, just do the same for Forked Tower and let folks run it unsynced with the new levels being added with North Horn.

Yes. Like Jeeqbit said, they could just copy/paste and change the wipe conditions to make a Normal mode. And that’s honestly what I would’ve preferred. I’ve been very vocal here about that, because this was the content I was most looking forward to in DT, and it disappointed me so much. But I’d settle for an unsync at this point. Honestly I just want the field notes and the Triad card, which never should have been locked behind this if they weren’t going to have a Normal mode. Make it so you only get the mount if you clear synced, I don’t care.

It feels unbalanced to have a Normal for North and leave South as is. Not everyone has the time to schedule and prog an entire dungeon, possibly multiple times.

[Godzillaxpowerrangers]

Part of me is waiting for the patch notes to say North tower will be hard mode only and normal will come at a later patch if at all.

[Voidmage]

sry but, its not even extreme mode difficulty
The mechs are very simple and easy to understand. On top of that, you have people that callout literally everything if you join any helper discord. Literally everyone can clear it by now
the "dps checks" also got nerfed multiple times by now (and get more nerfs with 7.55)

Some people don't want to need Discord for playing simple content.
Other people don't want easy mistakes to wipe the group in content that wasn't even intended to be "hard" (simple to understand and simple to execute are too different things as Chaotic had already shown with that many players).

I have all the respect for the Discord people who take it unto them to make the devs mess even playable but I certainly don't enjoy following Callouts like a sheep.
All those "it's not hard, just use Discord" posts really don't help because they miss entirely the problem people have had with FT.

In the end though it is what it is.
The devs won't drop a normal mode so people simply won't do it and the clear rates will stay abysmal

[RaionKansen]

Some people don't want to need Discord for playing simple content.
Other people don't want easy mistakes to wipe the group in content that wasn't even intended to be "hard" (simple to understand and simple to execute are too different things as Chaotic had already shown with that many players).

I have all the respect for the Discord people who take it unto them to make the devs mess even playable but I certainly don't enjoy following Callouts like a sheep.
All those "it's not hard, just use Discord" posts really don't help because they miss entirely the problem people have had with FT.

This never makes any sense. Before Discord people used Mumble, or Teamspeak, or Vox, or Skype, or plenty of other things.

"I shouldnt have to use discord" is an unrealistic ideal with no relevance to MMORPG gaming in the last 20 YEARS.

You have to socalize to do group content in an MMORPG. Crazy I know.

We used to have to recruit and do applications on obscure forum pages or on the official forums. Nothing has changed. Its more streamlined than ever

[RaionKansen]

Normally I don't post anything but this is too much. Why has the community dropped the ball on not continuing to blast the boards about that there is still no Normal mode for Forked Tower going on 1 year after it's disastrous launch. I loved how the Bozjan Southern Front was implemented and loved CLL and DR. I hated the entry system for Eureka's BA as well as getting kicked out because Spirit of Remembrance deciding to not work. I'm not buying the they didn't have the resources line. We as a community need to do better and not lose focus and keep reminding the devs that they screwed up royally and the "fixes" that was implemented primarily benefited the hardcore players and not the casual to midcore players. I would love to try Forked Tower but do not want to be that one guy to ruin a run for everyone else simply because I made a mistake or I can't prog it because of the stupid 3 death limit. I don't know why they couldn't just replicate CLL or DR, those were fun. I would also want to know they are so dense and refuse to make it up to the community by refusing to fix their mistake and repair the trust and confidence in them and FFXIV by still not having a Forked Tower Normal yet.

Ive already cleared Forked tower several times. You could have done it by now. Especially as its continued to get easier to do. Things of value require effort and in an MMO it requires a group effort.

Put yourself out there, socialize, make some friends and do some fun content in the process.

[Xieldras]

They'll probably run out of budget again and go "Woops, hard-mode only" when North Horn's version releases.

You have to socialize to do group content in an MMORPG. Crazy I know.

Oooh, is that what the chat window in-game is for? Cool.

I don't know about others, but other MMOs I've played I've limited my chatting to the game itself. This is the only one that kind of asks me to join dozens of Discord servers (FCs, clubs, events, content). This is a failure on Square's part since the available tools for matchmaking and chatting are limited, especially for large-scale content. Maybe Cross-DC matchmaking will be helpful in this case.

Regardless, this means that Forked Tower was DoA content for most people, even moreso now that we're past the honeymoon phase of New Content.

As for the whole "it's so easy" part of the discussion. If there's a 3-strikes-you're-out system, in content where everything can snowball easily and that has a lockout of one hour (I think), you're going to have a good portion that won't even bother because it is a wall. Not even a fun scalable one, but one designed to make you waste time for completion.

(Also, the fact that we had people target-and-assassinate so-called "snipers" the first time around made me decide that I simply do not wish to engage with such toxicity. I didn't forget).

[hydralus]

They'll probably run out of budget again and go "Woops, hard-mode only" when North Horn's version releases.



Oooh, is that what the chat window in-game is for? Cool.

I don't know about others, but other MMOs I've played I've limited my chatting to the game itself. This is the only one that kind of asks me to join dozens of Discord servers (FCs, clubs, events, content). This is a failure on Square's part since the available tools for matchmaking and chatting are limited, especially for large-scale content. Maybe Cross-DC matchmaking will be helpful in this case.

Regardless, this means that Forked Tower was DoA content for most people, even moreso now that we're past the honeymoon phase of New Content.

As for the whole "it's so easy" part of the discussion. If there's a 3-strikes-you're-out system, in content where everything can snowball easily and that has a lockout of one hour (I think), you're going to have a good portion that won't even bother because it is a wall. Not even a fun scalable one, but one designed to make you waste time for completion.

(Also, the fact that we had people target-and-assassinate so-called "snipers" the first time around made me decide that I simply do not wish to engage with such toxicity. I didn't forget).

Most MMOs you've played likely don't have content requiring the level of coordination needed since their bosses tend to just be zerg rushes until the boss runs out of HP. I know for Wildstar voice chat was a must for harder content. D&DOnline also needed voice chat but it was built in. I suppose the devs could do that but they could also put in a DPS tracker in game and simply choose not to for whatever reason.

[Xieldras]

Most MMOs you've played likely don't have content requiring the level of coordination needed since their bosses tend to just be zerg rushes until the boss runs out of HP. I know for Wildstar voice chat was a must for harder content. D&DOnline also needed voice chat but it was built in. I suppose the devs could do that but they could also put in a DPS tracker in game and simply choose not to for whatever reason.

It's true that the most complex coordination my old guild back in Eden did was large-scale PvP events, not PvE. All done in typed chat as the leads laid out the game plan for Territory and Guild Elim, and adjusted as needed. There were always a meeting or two before the weekly events too.

Coordination is fully doable within the game's systems, but not as convenient. It's the "mandatory voice-chat/Discord" mindset from players that irks me.

[RaionKansen]

I don't know about others, but other MMOs I've played I've limited my chatting to the game itself. This is the only one that kind of asks me to join dozens of Discord servers (FCs, clubs, events, content).

You don't play other MMOS then

[FuturePastNow]

Normally I don't post anything but this is too much. Why has the community dropped the ball on not continuing to blast the boards about that there is still no Normal mode for Forked Tower going on 1 year after it's disastrous launch. I loved how the Bozjan Southern Front was implemented and loved CLL and DR. I hated the entry system for Eureka's BA as well as getting kicked out because Spirit of Remembrance deciding to not work. I'm not buying the they didn't have the resources line. We as a community need to do better and not lose focus and keep reminding the devs that they screwed up royally and the "fixes" that was implemented primarily benefited the hardcore players and not the casual to midcore players. I would love to try Forked Tower but do not want to be that one guy to ruin a run for everyone else simply because I made a mistake or I can't prog it because of the stupid 3 death limit. I don't know why they couldn't just replicate CLL or DR, those were fun. I would also want to know they are so dense and refuse to make it up to the community by refusing to fix their mistake and repair the trust and confidence in them and FFXIV by still not having a Forked Tower Normal yet.

They made the content they wanted to make. They just badly miscalculated what most players wanted.