a lot of the issue is probably my current scenario, i pvp a bunch and saw viper as a complete braindead crutch class that gets too much value out of doing nothing. So i never played it on purpose. So i dont know the tooltip info on the class, i just roll my eyes when 1 is in my match and attack anything else until we can focus it down before it does that stupid samurai stance and nobody on my team gets to play until its over.