The missing achievements should stay missing

[Nilocy]

The missing achievements for the OC are looking like some of the worst achievements in the game and I don't understand who thought this was a good idea, and if anyone did any math to figure out the time sync involved.

While 30k accursed hoard will take something like 700-800 hours of playtime using cheese strats and not playing any other part of the game. I know Cider Spider mentioned that one at fanfest and joked in a recent vid about how it was malicious. These will likely take longer, be more rng based, and will only serve to discourage playing or achievement hunting, and instead encourage botting, which is already a big issue in OC.

I achievement hunt and talk to many others who do. I've heard nobody who thinks these achievements are good or healthy, and many who are thinking of quitting the game because achievements like this are just toxic for the game.

I feel like the devs should take this bug as a win and cancel putting them in the game at all. I really hope this feedback gets given to them

[Wyssahtyn]

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[MayuAmakura]

Hope they fix and remove them from everyone who didn't legitimately get them kek

[NailBach]

i am sorry, if you think you have to quit a game because it has grindy achievements you better stop anyway. this is unhealthy.

also the fixation on achievements is somewhat pointless in this games

[ServerCollaps]

The missing achievements for the OC are looking like some of the worst achievements in the game and I don't understand who thought this was a good idea, and if anyone did any math to figure out the time sync involved.

While 30k accursed hoard will take something like 700-800 hours of playtime using cheese strats and not playing any other part of the game. I know Cider Spider mentioned that one at fanfest and joked in a recent vid about how it was malicious. These will likely take longer, be more rng based, and will only serve to discourage playing or achievement hunting, and instead encourage botting, which is already a big issue in OC.

I achievement hunt and talk to many others who do. I've heard nobody who thinks these achievements are good or healthy, and many who are thinking of quitting the game because achievements like this are just toxic for the game.

I feel like the devs should take this bug as a win and cancel putting them in the game at all. I really hope this feedback gets given to them

there have been people that completed all the current OC achievements before 2nd OC released and there will be people that will complete all the new ones before 8.0 hits :shrug:

[Kaurhz]

They really need to look at achievements from the ground up... Both in terms of rewards and overall system, like, they need to be doing far more with the achievement token system than what they are currently doing. Then in terms of really what you want that journey to look like for the player, because that's where it gets messy.

[Mouthbone]

The achievements in this game really suck, and I hope that they will rethink them in Evercold (especially since they talked about changing how hunts work and hunts have a lot of very unhealthy achievements related to them)
My conspiracy theory is that the 30k hoard achievement is a botting monitoring tool, because those kinds of achievements are realistically only attained by botters OR in rare cases neurodivergent people (affectionate)
Except that the devs do not monitor the timeframes in which these achievements are done to see whether its possible that a real person did it

[Hastatus]

Some achievements for Exploratory Zones and Deep Dungeons feel like aberrations. The old Happy Bunnies system in Eureka was a 300 total achievement. The new Happy Bunnies (Pots) became 1000 and now possibly 2000. They added the new Carrot system that is entirely RNG and or for wealthy people and basically matched the Pots values of 1000 and now possibly 2000. The new Happy Bunnies (Pots) also require more time between fates and competing for good RNG against other players. It's highly unusual for Achievements to have so many RNG elements going against you AND have such high target numbers. The other RNG achievement that went really weird is the Deep Dungeon Hoard achievement: again an excessively high number.

I suspect they looked at past data and said 'some people did Happy Bunnies in Eureka thousands of times and so we should up the achievement count'. The problem is they do not understand that the reason some players do something in game many more times than other players doesn't mean an achievement should exist upping the number. The reason some players did Happy Bunnies in Eureka so many more times was to find a rare minion (Copycat Bulb). The minion/reward was the carrot. There are very few valuable rewards in the current Pots and New Bunny Coffer fates. Someone at SE decided that a bigger achievement number would become the carrot, but it will be a carrot for unhealthy reasons targeting players with a mindset that SE should know better than to target. Falling back onto such high target achievement values is a sign of desperation due to having issues with the rewards system.

Imagine if they made the Treasure Dungeon achievements 200 clears instead of 20 clears. I have not done many Treasure Dungeons because I deplore this form of RNG so I will let others answer this question: will players who complete a Dungeon 20 times generally have earned all the rewards? I'm assuming most players have no reason to go beyond 20 clears.

It is easy to make unhealthy achievement targets. At some point, like after players complained about the 20,000 Hoard achievement, adding achievements with such values that doesn't add anything rewarding to the gameplay experience becomes malicious and or oblivious.

[Jeeqbit]

I tried achievement hunting. I thought I'd start small by doing the tiny leve achievements. They were so boring and had me waiting there 5 minutes a lot. I quit pretty fast.

I returned to just hunting mounts, and that has remained fun. Much more reasonable.

[Ankhira]

there have been people that completed all the current OC achievements before 2nd OC released and there will be people that will complete all the new ones before 8.0 hits :shrug:

Just because a couple of people complete them doesn't mean it's good design. I saw someone with the bunny title and I asked how long it took, they just spent like almost 2 billion gil on carrots on the market board.