Evolved Summoner speculation

[CasterSvarog]

It just sort of hit me not that long ago.

This would be the perfect time to give SMN players access to the old Summoner with actual Pet mechanics again. You'd finally please both parties who want the classic 'Get that MF right there Summoner' and the people who want the modern 'Help me get that MF Summoner'.
Reborn Summoner is already a step away from being a Reborn Job, and outside of stuff like changing Aetherflow into charge like the other gauges, no resurrection, and no party Buffs there's so little that can get changed without it just being a different flavour of lemon.

So for spells there could be:
Ruin (Becomes Ruin IV after using 3 Aetherflow actions)
Gemshine (Various)
Astral Flow (Various, depends on Summon)
Egi Assault I (Various, gives access to Gemshine actions)
Egi Assault II (Various, gives access to Astral Flow actions)
Fester/Necrotize
Enkindle (Various, depends on Summon)
Summon Carbuncle (Exists)
Summon Emerald/Garuda-Egi/Emerald Garuda
Summon Topaz/Titan-Egi/Topaz Titan
Summon Ruby/Ifrit-Egi/Ruby Ifrit
Aethertrail/Dreadwyrm Trace/Summon Bahamut/etc.

And the 4(?) Role actions:
Addle
Swiftcast
Surecast
Lucid Dreaming (Maybe? It's MIA on WHM so it could be fused with Surecast)

There you go, exactly 16 buttons for an Evolved job!
Tweak some mechanics such as having the Egi's attack like the Demi's do where they attack when you attack, add on the other 3 ARR Primals (Iolite Ramuh, Sapphire Leviathan, Diamond Shiva), maybe a new Demi (Lunar Phoenix I guess?) and there you go, 8.0 Evolved job right there.

[Moqi]

Looking at Evolved Bard, Evolved Summoner is already here.

[Carighan]

Looking at Evolved Bard, Evolved Summoner is already here.

What makes you think they're the same? Just the press button -> get heterogeneous sub-cycle setup being similar among the two? Something that dozens of RPG classes share just not the hyperhomogenized world of FFXIV (so far)?

[Moqi]

I mean, yes? "Just" is going a lot of work when there's nothing else to it.

[Carighan]

Sure, so long as by that logic all jobs build around say, a gauge they build and then spend, are all automatically counted as being the same. It's just a weirdly wide net, doesn't really lead to any useful discussion.

[Moqi]

Uhm yes that's exactly the logic and why people call all FFXI jobs builder spenders, say they're homogenized and have asked for big changes for 3 expansions now.

Am I missing sarcasm? What is happening lmao.

[Carighan]

No I think we agree. I just misunderstood you at first I think >.<

[GORYSCARECROW]

We summon another summoner to fight. That summoner will also summon ANOTHER summoner to fight. and so on and so on.