Whitemage feedback for Mr. Prime

[Loggos]

SCH is very dot-heavy in pvp so given it's the same job desginer perhaps there is still a little hope this identity carries over to evolved mode.

[Mikey_R]

The main things I hope get addressed for White Mage are making sure we keep Regen,

Suprised noone has mentioned this yet. White Mage still has access to regens. You use Plenary Indulgence which changes Cure and Medica to Afflatus Solace and Afflatus Rapture, When used Afflatus Solace had a regen attached to it, no reason why Afflatus Rapture wouldn't either. Your lillies is how you gain access to Plenary Indulgence and it as the same system of gaining lillies as current WHM.

[Fawkes]

Suprised noone has mentioned this yet. White Mage still has access to regens. You use Plenary Indulgence which changes Cure and Medica to Afflatus Solace and Afflatus Rapture, When used Afflatus Solace had a regen attached to it, no reason why Afflatus Rapture wouldn't either. Your lillies is how you gain access to Plenary Indulgence and it as the same system of gaining lillies as current WHM.

Having abilities that give regen is not the same as having regen. Especially if it's locked behind lilies. We already had this when lilies were first added, stoneskin was removed and re-added as divine benison which required lilies to use, and lilies were generated by casting cures. It was the absolute worst design of anything in the history of the game. I had my lily UI element shrunk down and hidden behind the minimap for the entire expansion because they were worthless trash not even worth thinking about.

[Nadda]

Suprised noone has mentioned this yet. White Mage still has access to regens. You use Plenary Indulgence which changes Cure and Medica to Afflatus Solace and Afflatus Rapture, When used Afflatus Solace had a regen attached to it, no reason why Afflatus Rapture wouldn't either. Your lillies is how you gain access to Plenary Indulgence and it as the same system of gaining lillies as current WHM.

I didn't get a chance to see that. Do you know where that was shown. The regen effect specifically.

Still I'm hoping Cure 3 is still applicable.

I saw someone mention maybe lily bell and asylum are combined? But that actually be quite bad because you use them for very different things.

Anyways before it gets away. Any pros and cons be appreciated.

[SKAshe]

I'm pretty positive about evolved mode, overall, but, I hope they give it access to assize at the very least. It's a really fun spell

[Fawkes]

I didn't get a chance to see that. Do you know where that was shown. The regen effect specifically.

It happens when he uses afflatus solace.

[Mikey_R]

I didn't get a chance to see that. Do you know where that was shown. The regen effect specifically.

Anyways before it gets away. Any pros and cons be appreciated.

https://www.youtube.com/live/_aCGzxW...9ltAkn&t=25032

Next thing used is Plenary, you can see the icons change Afflatus Solace is used and you can see the regen buff mid screen and it is also partially hidden by the exploded view of the gauge. You can then see the regen ticks going off when they are stood doing nothing.

For Pros and Cons, I'm not a White Mage player, or really a main healer of any type, so I am kind of indifferent. I do like the animation of Holy Sanctuary though, so that could be a pro and I think the animation of High Glare is a bit lacking, so that can be a con.

[Nadda]

https://www.youtube.com/live/_aCGzxW...9ltAkn&t=25032

Next thing used is Plenary, you can see the icons change Afflatus Solace is used and you can see the regen buff mid screen and it is also partially hidden by the exploded view of the gauge. You can then see the regen ticks going off when they are stood doing nothing.

For Pros and Cons, I'm not a White Mage player, or really a main healer of any type, so I am kind of indifferent. I do like the animation of Holy Sanctuary though, so that could be a pro and I think the animation of High Glare is a bit lacking, so that can be a con.

Yoooo... that's really cool actually I spotted it now. Huh.

Like I said in my original post the dynamics of Plen unlocking lily usage is interesting.

WHY is that interesting? because solace and rapture are technically GCDs at instant speed. So now you're applying a heal and then the regen after. That's actually really interesting.
This might imply then that rapture applies a hot. If you add in epicenter targeting to those effects.. huh we might be in business. I'm hoping assize is still around maybe it acts as a holy second action? That sounds kinda op.

[WaxSw]

This evolved whm is simply a downgraded version of current whm

We trade most of the GCD heals, almost all of the dps options, afflatus misery, assize, asylum, thin air, pom, lots of things that gave identity to Whm for what?
A new lilly system that guarantees that the lilies will sit there most of the time? 2 GCDs that are the most basic effects possible? A rotation that so far seems to guarantee that the 1 button is pressed more than ever? A Sanctity system that is just afflatus misery lite?

This WHM doesn't have more identity, doesn't address the feedback and complaints healers have had for years and only manages to make an already oversimplified job even further oversimplified. If the devs read this, this cannot be shipped at it is, its probably one of the worst whm iterations ive seen and is not an evolution in any way.

Evolved jobs dont have me convinced but WHM especially causes me disgust

[Nadda]

This evolved whm is simply a downgraded version of current whm

We trade most of the GCD heals, almost all of the dps options, afflatus misery, assize, asylum, thin air, pom, lots of things that gave identity to Whm for what?
A new lilly system that guarantees that the lilies will sit there most of the time? 2 GCDs that are the most basic effects possible? A rotation that so far seems to guarantee that the 1 button is pressed more than ever? A Sanctity system that is just afflatus misery lite?

This WHM doesn't have more identity, doesn't address the feedback and complaints healers have had for years and only manages to make an already oversimplified job even further oversimplified. If the devs read this, this cannot be shipped at it is, its probably one of the worst whm iterations ive seen and is not an evolution in any way.

Evolved jobs dont have me convinced but WHM especially causes me disgust

Cure III, Assize, asylum, and thin air missing is a big deal.

Presence of Mind I assume for Evolved mode doesn't exist because your attack spells are instant.
Though that's not to say PoM isn't used in other ways outside of damage, just generally it is.

I don't think the sanctity system is purely misery lite. I mean, we say Lilies are just sitting there, but I didn't really think spamming Rapture just to keep building the blood lily was a really interesting mechanic.

I think having to use your lilies to build the sanctity gauge is a bit better in terms of purposeful healing since the sanctity guage is only two markers to get the max effect you technically have this afflatus misery sooner. Instead of using a lily for example the high cure ability could also build sanctity, letting you pop it sooner. And should it not be fully powered it should still pack a punch.

If assize is returning for example in evolved mode, it could be similar to how it was in Stormblood, where having three lilies increased the damage and mana gain from the attack. As an Example.