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    Carighan's Avatar
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    Character
    Carighan Maconar
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Mukuku View Post
    What do you do with 2 MTs in the party?
    Is that truly relevant to consider? While 2-shield-healer and 2-regen-healer parties happen every so often, sure, it's not exactly something the game actively wants to balance for.

    For better or worse, the 8man setup will be 1 MT + 1 OT + 2 melee DPS of different classes + 1 PRanged + 1 Caster + 1 Regen Healer + 1 Sheld Healer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mukuku View Post
    Basically, IMHO the cardinal sin is tying damage to other stuff.
    Only if we want to be eternally stuck in the limitations of the current FFXIV class design paradigma where equivalence is paramount, uniqueness is illegal and upsides (or downsides) are forbidden. There was in itself nothing wrong with gapclosers having damage, except the fact that gapclosers were readily available. In what way said availability could have been cut, it doesn't even matter. But the community of FFXIV, as always, rabidly opposes anything detracting from fully identical setups, and hence all tanks needed gapclosers and hence all tanks would then need damage to weave on their oGCD gapclosers, which in turn doomed them.

    Other games manage fine. Other MMORPGs manage fine. It's sad to excuse the inability and unwillingness of SQEX to invest into actual class design with statements such as "the cardinal sin is tying damage to other stuff" (non-damage stuff only I presume?). Everybody else has no problem with that.

    And I will say, considering the four classes shown, there is some hope there that they finally "got it". Paladin does not look like the other 3 tanks could be carbon-copies of it, and tanks no longer being carbon-copies of one another would fix one of the biggest issues in tank gameplay right now, if not the biggest one.
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    Last edited by Carighan; 04-29-2026 at 08:10 PM.