Please Reconsider Splitting Main and Off-Tank Roles Based on Job

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I even like Paladin fine. But I don't like that If I want to main tank I'm gonna have to play it or the new tank. Dark Knight is my favorite job...

Nothing will stop you from being a DRK MT except you telling yourself you can't play Reborn-style DRK or use Evolved-style DRK in an MT position (which may actually play out better, depending how things will change).

Take it from a fellow MT DRK. It may not even be as bad as we might make it out to be.

[Sazuzaki]

I don't think the OT's listed are going to be pure OT's, but rather just perform better as them. Most shield/shield or pure/pure comp parties don't function as well due to mitigation and regeneration not being able to stack, but an OT/OT comp in 8.0 seems to only run into the issue of a few mits not stacking, which is already the case with the current tank balance as seen with reprisal. It's too early to tell but I think OT/OT parties will still be able to function unless they lock damage/lb gen around a perfect comp

[Ayan_Calvesse]

I mean....just don't play in Evolved mode and literally nothing changes for you?

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I don't think the OT's listed are going to be pure OT's, but rather just perform better as them. Most shield/shield or pure/pure comp parties don't function as well due to mitigation and regeneration not being able to stack, but an OT/OT comp in 8.0 seems to only run into the issue of a few mits not stacking, which is already the case with the current tank balance as seen with reprisal. It's too early to tell but I think OT/OT parties will still be able to function unless they lock damage/lb gen around a perfect comp

Pretty much this. Based on what we are seeing, Paladin-Evolved being supposedly "Main Tank" actually retains all the actions what makes it a phenomenal off-tank of today. Holy Sheltron button from what I heard actually produces Intervention when aiming at an ally, Divine Veil + Passage of Arms are also present and Cover is kinda baked into Intervene somehow (PVP-style cover). And the retaliation attacks showcased might also be proccing off Intervention's set of effects rather than just Holy Sheltron.

Another probability is that what they are calling these sub-roles is actually just really bad naming convention and has nothing to do for what is our definition of Main Tank & Off-Tank in the first place.

[Azurarok]

I mean....just don't play in Evolved mode and literally nothing changes for you?

this is assuming the meta doesn't end up forcing Evolved mode, and I think it's entirely possible Reborn Mode may get phased out later on

[Zarkovitch]

elvoled mode might be more stronger than reborn mode. You know the player base will change

[Ahmose]

I suspect this is being pushed as a way to break up the tank role and allow some specialization. However this doesn't feel like the right way to do it. For one the setup seems wrong- the two jobs we have with retaliation effects for getting smacked (Dark Knight TBN Dark Arts, and Warrior Vengence) are both stuffed in the off tank slot. Sure, this is basically a rebranded job rework so maybe they don't keep those, and at least TBN can be put on allies, but it still seems a silly way to go.

[BarretOblivion]

Im just going to say this.
If you sit in PF and know the issue of finding a pure healer or shield healer specifically and you can't really go into raid because you can't run double pure healer because you are missing party mits and think that's an issue?

This tank change is going to create a second bottleneck and you are going to be taking way longer to get into raids.

This is such a bad idea. Look they need to change the idea of "main tank" and "off tank" to simply a counter tank style and a non-counter tank style. Maybe barrier/shield tank and raw damage debuff mit style tank. That's it. All tanks need to be viable Main tanking and not necessarily weaker while off tanking.
Besides, if you main a job that is being forced into a role of tanking you don't like playing? Tough get over it according to SE.
Yeah now I think tanks are starting to feel how Astro's felt when they lost Nocturnal Sect and were forced to be the pure healer instead either a shield or pure healer.

[Hero_of_Lgnd]

This change is maybe one of the worst things they have ever done. All the talk about player freedom, just to do this? I have always played DRK as a MT with my partner playing WAR on OT, and now we just don't get to tank together anymore?Seriously? Not to mention how much of a nightmare PF is going to be. This needs to be fixed.

[Terhix]

Besides, if you main a job that is being forced into a role of tanking you don't like playing? Tough get over it according to SE.

I think the issue is that off tank in current game is not a role at all. We have a tank, and we have a blue dps that sometimes takes a tank buster. Just looking through this thread and comments elsewhere and I see very few people going "golly gee my job is now MT and I'll have to do things in a raid and I don't like it", it's almost entirely main tank mains upset they don't get to use their kit anymore.

I'm going to sit and let them cook, if they can make OT as a role actually important with things to do I'm in for it.