Thread: Will there be progression in 2.0?

OH OH OH! Abolish crafting!

Originally Posted by Teuciont

Get over it is a pretty weak argument. And it still doesn't address the fact that there's no sense of progression in the game. Which you can have with crafters, like I previously mentioned, by having bosses drop rare mats. The argument here is that the best gear in the game is available through easily harvested and crafted mats. You don't NEED to do lighter content to be able to do more difficult content. That's a problem.

Exactly. But its a problem for some reason that myopic people tend to ignore.

Originally Posted by ShivenCasull

Yoshi has addressed your concerns with this, too. I'll see if I can find the quote, but he's changing the stats ratio so 3-5x melded gear won't be nearly as game breaking in the new system.x

This is good news for me personally. Thank you.

The 7 main battle jobs are what I would consider the main jobs. In no way should BiS gear be available just based on crafting. SE should do what they did in FFXI. Crafting has 0 BiS pieces at lvl cap, however they can make cursed gear but they require a drop from PvE content to use. All of FFXI's BiS gear comes from Abyssea, Voidwatch, Neo Nyzul, or Legion. A couple pieces are cursed but only a few and there are comparable to non cursed ones that are just drops.

Crafting has its place as starter gear and some high and gear which require you to get a PvE drop to unlock. It just feels dumb when someone can go to the AH with a lot of gil and just buy BiS gear.

In response to the dev post, doesn't that just mean equipment will make even less of a difference than it does now? Are they talking about the base stats in particular? Or the extra stats like attack and enmity, which are also available from materia?

Originally Posted by Teuciont

In response to the dev post, doesn't that just mean equipment will make even less of a difference than it does now? Are they talking about the base stats in particular? Or the extra stats like attack and enmity, which are also available from materia?

It means pure stat stacking melding won't be as powerful, which is what you're talking about yes?

Originally Posted by Zumi

The 7 main battle jobs are what I would consider the main jobs. In no way should BiS gear be available just based on crafting. SE should do what they did in FFXI. Crafting has 0 BiS pieces at lvl cap, however they can make cursed gear but they require a drop from PvE content to use. All of FFXI's BiS gear comes from Abyssea, Voidwatch, Neo Nyzul, or Legion. A couple pieces are cursed but only a few and there are comparable to non cursed ones that are just drops.

Crafting has its place as starter gear and some high and gear which require you to get a PvE drop to unlock. It just feels dumb when someone can go to the AH with a lot of gil and just buy BiS gear.

Actually, this is something unique in XIV that I like myself. BiS gear is all crafted, and it's not nescessarily bad either!
Mind, I do hope that they can implement a sort of 'crafting request' in 2.0 so that one can craft U/U gear for someone else, and for DoL/DoH being far more involved and downright indispensable to acquiring the most powerful gear.

It's simply a matter of refining the current implementation slightly more, really.

Edit: Really, if we DO find a way for the best gear to not be avaiable in the Market Wards and still have crafting and gathering heavily involved in it, would anyone be against it?

Originally Posted by ShivenCasull

It means pure stat stacking melding won't be as powerful, which is what you're talking about yes?

That was my first problem, my second being that gear needs to be more important than it is now so that there's a sense of gear progression. I believe I found this video on these forums, but I'll post it again for people to see because I feel it really gets the point across, especially with how they're handling 2.0 in comparison to WoW and XI:

Originally Posted by Skies

Actually, this is something unique in XIV that I like myself. BiS gear is all crafted, and it's not nescessarily bad either!
Mind, I do hope that they can implement a sort of 'crafting request' in 2.0 so that one can craft U/U gear for someone else, and for DoL/DoH being far more involved and downright indispensable to acquiring the most powerful gear.

It's simply a matter of refining the current implementation slightly more, really.

Edit: Really, if we DO find a way for the best gear to not be avaiable in the Market Wards and still have crafting and gathering heavily involved in it, would anyone be against it?

I'm starting to think no one in this thread knows how to play the game if they think all crafted gear is BiS, for everything.