Thread: Patch 7.5 Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Exactly, there's nothing I can do about being put against or on teams with premades, I win or lose based on which team had the better stack and nothing more. I could bust my ass or AFK and the outcome will still be the same.
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I'll fail regardless of trying though, no amount of effort will change that, and my contribution however much or little will never matter. 20 kills or 20 deaths, same difference, and after years of putting up with the mode getting worse ever since Dawntrail launch I'm done caring. It can be second monitor content while I do/watch something else, and I understand now why so many others give up and stop trying too.

I meme that I'm almost always on the 3rd place guaranteed team (or am I?... well, my WR suggests I'm not but it does feel that way hue). I haven't been in a group since mid ShB and that was like, thrice, during that period. Can't honestly say I ever feel "useless" when by default I'm alone, and it's felt like 98% of the time.

I'm sayin' there's always ways to harry opponents. Almost always. Maybe it's a mindset thing, I'm not folding my hand if I'm confronted by a group while by myself. That's when things get started! And no, no sometimes... sometimes I even turn it around, whether it is with direct defeat or I've successfully distracted that group away from places and situations they really should be attending to. Become that spontaneous objective hahaha~

Maybe you'd do better by standing slightly away from the pack, that's what I do. Might make you more visible but at least it's not the often pretty random cleave damage eh. You'll see what you'll see comin' at ya better. Iirc you play MCH in PvP, maybe consider playing a different job? That one's quite reliant on how a group moves a fair bit of the time (I know, I've recently picked it up and been having quite a blast as it's the polar opposite of what I've played for a long time now). It's not impossible to veer off, but it is a good deal harder as you need to plan ahead with how skittish so many teams are.

I like my matches when they're evenly furnished aggression wise, but honestly I prefer it when I'm against premades, if they have to be present. I couldn't be more bored when I'm on the side of one or two (and they're commanding... <yawn>)

Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

Playing paladin, monk, even bard if you actually use your abilities. You can be disruptive and make a difference for your team. I queue solo and as part of a premade teams. It is infinitely harder to win, when we are stacked with players like you, who just give up and dont make any effort. Playing against premades on solo queue, yes, it is 100% possible to disrupt them.

But sure, give up and blame premades

Giving up is the only viable choice when it doesn't matter what I'm doing anyway. I was never a factor when I was trying before, and I'm even more pointless after the BH change. Absolutely nothing is lost by me half-assing it from now on.
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Originally Posted by ThreeBeastSmile

Iirc you play MCH in PvP, maybe consider playing a different job? That one's quite reliant on how a group moves a fair bit of the time (I know, I've recently picked it up and been having quite a blast as it's the polar opposite of what I've played for a long time now).

I've tried other jobs, but it didn't make any difference, so I just queue as whatever now and try not to die.

This “Premade Hell” better not be on Primal, because that would be a pretty shocking revelation to me.
I have played over 23,000 Frontline matches on Primal alone, and somehow I never realized the DC was supposedly infested with unbeatable premades.

Originally Posted by Divinemights

This “Premade Hell” better not be on Primal, because that would be a pretty shocking revelation to me.
I have played over 23,000 Frontline matches on Primal alone, and somehow I never realized the DC was supposedly infested with unbeatable premades.

Unbeatable? I wish XD and for the other premades.. no, they most definitely are not unbeateable lol

Originally Posted by Aidorouge

I've tried other jobs, but it didn't make any difference, so I just queue as whatever now and try not to die.

You know, I once trained someone in here that would freeze at the prospect of fighting an opponent in melee range. Spent a good couple of hours with them. I'd throw common jobs at them in the duelling ring, and get them to look at the skills. I'd ask them questions each time I engaged and got their answer back. It was like a therapy session more than anything heh, as I was trying to fine-tune their response to me each time to something more realistic. I have no idea how or why they were so perturbed by melee players getting in their face, considering other games they'd played, but that was the case.

Eventually, they were doing the Feast and not just Frontlines. At least 8v8. As a MCH. They didn't complain about melee players since after that. In many respects that player reminds me of you, since they were wrangling with feelings of persistent uselessness and shame. I hope you find someone that you can actually trust to be able to spend the time with you and help you believe you can actually turn those kinds of situations around, if that's not readily coming from yourself. The PvP minigame gets more entertaining once you have some confidence, trust me. Even if circumstances can get... a little strange, sometimes.

(This all said without having yet tried the new system though. /disclaimer)

Originally Posted by Oizen

As always the biggest change I want for pvp is a non-pvp way to progress the battle pass so I don't have to play this mode.

I'd like to skip the current savage and step into the coming ultimate because I cba with the tedium of the current PvE for long and don't care for the Arcadion one bit, yet I just really want to face off with a harder Kefka and co. Alas, we don't always get what we want. Especially a want that is pretty niche and unlikely to be obliged when there's the majority who will be willing to do the busywork and enjoy it (maybe/hopefully), and why should it be? Some content is not for everyone. Why should the rewards associated with that mode be available any other way in those cases?