Thread: Patch 7.5 Discussion Thread

Joining my voice to the chorus, the patch is catastrophic for frontline.
it is utterly innane that death is now absolutely not penalized at a personnal level.
This only reinforces bad and poor behaviors and doesn't promote any logical gameplay loop.

On a basic defensive and cooldown level, killing a BH5 can be resumed as a free "return to base, come back with full cooldowns reset". The asymetry of ressources becomes exponentially insane considering cooldown on death has been shortened previous patch. You spend your CDs for the dead person to come back at *more power* because their kit is reset now ?
This only gives more power to snowball for premade and well coordinated small groups, take any combination of four tanks, or assimilated (looking at you vipers) and there is no fail state for that team ?
same goes for suicidal samurai. PVP is supposed to be centered around preventing death and optimizing your gameplay. This choice to remove reduction of BH on death is absurd, catchback mechanic why not, but no loss is plain not going to work and needs to be roll backed at fast effect to prevent the PVP meta to fall even lower than it is now.

I won't even touch on the fact no innate DR changes were done, leaving tanks in a predominant position with even better setup now as they are ones who benefit the most (more heal, more damage exponentially multiplied by Damage reduction)
The guard buff can be ok, smite needed a nerf, not a buff

Its high time square enix leaves the gilded tower of numbers and come see real frontline battles, and not just their sanitized space of number sheets.
"Smite and Bloodbath are less used..." I would really appreciate the actual, factual, numbers being used. Prove your mettle Square Balance Team, show us.

I am only 7 games in, so am going to need to play a lot more and over the different maps to form a final opinion, but so far I actually like the BH change, though personally I would prefer the system was just removed altogether.

Originally Posted by TofuLove

Ok so, thinking about it. If they want to continue this BH system. The score you get from the kill should depend on the BH of the opponent.

Lets say BH5 = 16 points to the overall team score if you kill them, and you lose as much from the overall score if you get killed. Reduce proportionally to BH4,BH3 and so on...

At the moment it's wayyy too efficient to just farm BH0 players I think.

I don't know if FL matches are very different on each datacenter, but the two matches I played on Chaos have been the exact opposite. After 10 minutes over 95% of all players have reached BH5. It makes the whole idea of BH feel useless, when it was the entire strategy before this patch. This feels so punishing to those who enjoyed FL and genuinely tried.

Originally Posted by Scintilla

For now I'm withholding judgement, given I've only played a couple of FLs since the update. But I do have a question about this part of your post: if casuals 'didn't push buttons and didn't burst together' with the old BH system and still won't do it with the new BH system, what kind of system do you suggest?

Honestly? Probably just get rid of BH entirely.

Find another way to recognize and reward performance. Expand the achievement system or and have something else that is visible, like the BH symbol, but its just a visual thing without any boost behind it. Based not just off Kills and assists but also damage dealt.

i dunno, something that might encourage people to put more effort into their individual performance.

Not losing BH on death... the single worst change I've seen to Frontlines in my last 7 years of playing...

Skilled play should be rewarded in PvP, what were they thinking???

Whoever came up with the idea of not losing BH on death should never be allowed near frontlines balancing again.

The change to battle high in 7.2 was dumb enough. Now they are just straight up trolling the few people that actually enjoy frontlines. What a shame.