Thread: Patch 7.5 Discussion Thread

The increased BH when targetting higher BH is good, that makes you a target, and thus you can play around it. Though not sure about not losing rating when being KOed...

If I pull myself away from it: Original Battle High, when you lost all of it on death before the diet version on 7.4, is a carry system. Generally speaking, the people who die the least will be better at the game on average. If we build BH5 super early, it allows us to excacerbate and leverage our skill/knowledge advantage to have a greater influence. Think that's why a lot of us could have >40% WR solo queue in a 72-person-mode; that's over 20% influence over 71 other people simplifying to a 33%~ intended first place winrate.

If I just pulled myself out of this historical context, this is kind of more like an RPG levelling system now, yeah? If I understand it right, the baseline (0 BH) is lower value on takedown, but you get more BH from defeating people with higher BH. More people will get to "max level" eventually. That said, the best players will still get high BH sooner, and better players will leverage BH better. This also kind of gives good players more of a reason to do suicide plays; some jobs like VPR who are already obnoxious probably need changes.

I think this system overall favours weaker players, but if it psychologically makes them feel happier, then sure. As Tiffy Tryhard I want an ultra hardcore system where you lost all of your BH when you die. I want world PvP where I can kill people if I don't like their glam and loot their body. I want SB FL where if I am better than the average player, I am completely untouchable in every dimension. But when I think about the overall health of this game and not us PvP hardcores, it's better. You can't dumb it down forever without alienating those of us who remain, but so far it's fine.

Originally Posted by TofuLove

Preliminary notes:
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...1e35bea26ceb7e

CC
new arena, new glam rewards, map now rotates every 60min

Frontline

Huge ones:

• Rating will no longer decrease when a player is incapacitated.
• Rating gained from knockouts and assists is now affected by the Battle High status of the opponent.
• Worqor is removed from daily rotation (and minor worqor fixes)

Rival Wings

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Do i read this correctly? Battle high now is not reduced with death?
Oh dear...

No, rating thing will still decrease, that what you said isn't true. You didn't read correctly. They said that only Battle rating will not decrease when a player is incapacitated. Points from your or enemy team will still decrease when somebody dies (as it should be).

As for battle rating changes, yeah just shows that devs don't even test this game and punish good players for no reason.

Originally Posted by Teno

The increased BH when targetting higher BH is good, that makes you a target, and thus you can play around it. Though not sure about not losing rating when being KOed...

It's a mistranslation or wrong reading. Rating will still be lost when someone dies, battle rating not. Just check other posts / reddit and similar. They made it a bit vague to read but they meant on battle rating not rating as points. All other pages on other language state it clearly.

So if I understand correctly, Battle High won't be lost upon death?

I don't really know what to make of these changes, I wonder if they are planning on tuning the benefits granted from Battle High, or just leaving them as is ?
I suppose it lets other alliances try to catch up, but it removes the ability to shut-down groups that have established a lot of BH.

Can't really form a proper view until Tuesday I suppose, and hope for the best.

Not losing Battle High on death is... something alright. Premades who rocket to BH5 in the first 30 seconds are still going to dominate for most/all of the match, while 2nd & 3rd place are too busy trying to farm each other while making suicide plays.

In fact suicide plays/chasing kills across the map in general are going to be more common because people are going to be thinking "nothing to lose" while forgetting that deaths still eat away at the score. But then, if every team is constantly bleeding points from excess deaths now, I guess it makes objectives even more important for score or people less willing to flee just to preserve their BH? (Lord knows those with BH5 are the quickest to run in most engagements because "mah bonus > mah score".)

Originally Posted by Valence

In theory I'd like randomized, but then I remember that some jobs I play are absolutely terrible on a couple of maps, so i'd rather be able to dodge them.

To each their own, I think brilliance of one's mastery of a job should also come from being able to play on unfavoured maps at a good level and make best of one's situation.

Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

Can't wait to read why they made this change, regarding BH not reducing with death.

why? because sometimes you have premades that spawn camp considering the instant respawn now in FL.