Thread: Patch 7.5 Discussion Thread

Preliminary notes:
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...1e35bea26ceb7e

CC
new arena, new glam rewards, map now rotates every 60min

Frontline

Huge ones:

• Rating will no longer decrease when a player is incapacitated.
• Rating gained from knockouts and assists is now affected by the Battle High status of the opponent.
• Worqor is removed from daily rotation (and minor worqor fixes)

Rival Wings

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Do i read this correctly? Battle high now is not reduced with death?
Oh dear...


[update]
full patch notes:
https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...8e972395fbea80

That's a lot to take in.
Some choices were made.

- No more battle high loss is ludicrous. This is going to remove all skill expression, no more work involved to keep it, no more risk, and more importantly, not possible to cull down high BH players from the team that's snowballing to victory. If they wanted to prevent people to make comebacks, they wouldn't proceed any better. I don't understand who came up with this change and why, except probably to turn BH away from skill reward and toward something people just accrue as the game goes as long as they're participating...

- More BH gains when killing higher BH, that's a good change. But combined with the above, everybody and their moms are gonna end BH5 mid game... What a joke.

Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Haven't played FL in forever, but if I had to take a guess in the dark, essentially parity with how Soaring Stacks in Rival Wings don't get reduced on death (assuming that's still how they work?).

CC arena rotation being every 60min is nice though. Personally would still prefer randomized on each entry (roulette style random) but this is a decent alternative.

In theory I'd like randomized, but then I remember that some jobs I play are absolutely terrible on a couple of maps, so i'd rather be able to dodge them.

Originally Posted by Valence

- More BH gains when killing higher BH, that's a good change. But combined with the above, everybody and their moms are gonna end BH5 mid game... What a joke.

Agreed.

Only saving grace I could see is scaling XP/tome gain based on BH by the end of the game. Surely now is the time to do it - if you ain't got BH5 by the end of the game - what are you even doing...
But then again it's not like rouletters care...

Going back in and providing two cents.

CC:
The usual alright glam and new series. Hellhound armor is (nearly) back, yay! Even if it still needs a fair bit of Commendation Crystals. Aw. Rotation reduction is finally non-odd hours!

- Neutral on new map, but I'm worried that matches on the new map will become curb-stomps where the losing team cannot go past middle because the winners can keep disrupting the warp crystal. Such is CC, I guess.

Rival Wings:

-Same old. Astragalos is still dead in the water and no roulette is a usual.

Frontlines (Trying to be as neutral as possible):
???

- Battle High (or rating) does not decrease anymore (that's bad), more rating gain by KOing Battle High enemies (that's nice), absolutely baffling roulette arena daily change.

- Why is Secure and Shatter only getting one cycle each per rotation while Onsal, Triumph and Seize get to repeat twice? Secure and Shatter are paced quite differently from each other, while Triumph with its extra bells and whistles is (sadly) still Onsal at its basest form. Not sure why those aren't alternated too.

- It's already frustrating to see your losing team(s) get steamrolled by the winning team(s), especially when it's due to node spawn nonsense or getting pinched no matter the score at the moment, but it's now a very real possibility being unable to come back at all because the losing team just can't catch up even if some team members try their absolute hardest when the winning team can get so much BH so quickly even dogpiling wouldn't work.

Hopefully they give VERY good reasons why the map rotation and BH changes are this way because if they can't it's going to be half a month up to 2.5 months of utter pain depending on malmstone target. I'm going back to forum hibernation.

FL will be carnage on Tuesday. They seem to be encouraging faster confrontations and more aggressive play with this and the last BH update. Personally I’m all for that because there aren’t many things more mind numbing than a never ending three way at mid on Onsal Hakair that only stops when another A rank spawns and someone gives up, so hopefully something like this might help. Might also make the situation where one team of premades has two full parties of BH5 by mid game and nobody else can compete less common if the winning team can’t stomp out the others’ BH before they get a chance to build it up