Thread: Patch 7.5 Discussion Thread

The funny and sad part about the second part of the change that increases the amount of BH gained from killing higher BH players, is that it also participates heavily into giving more BH to everyone since BH goes up all across the board as a game progresses, so you gain even more BH as you kill players with higher and higher BH.
And yet some teams don't achieve high BH.

I've had a game where my team and one of the other teams was literally 90% of BH5 players (which I grant you Borderlands Ruins probably helped a fair deal with the pve BH boosting mechanics), and the third team somehow barely had like 20-30% of their team with BH 4 or 5.

The devs certainly have tried increasing BH gains over multiple expansions, remember that BH was entirely lost in a distant past upon death. Then it was halved. Then they increased the amount of BH per kill assist. Then they added pve BH boosting mechanics to Secure to make sure people get their BH. And now this.

Before that patch, could you elaborate on why you'd not use Swift on melee? I personally found it extremely convenient to be able to do whatever I wanted and get away with it on specific jobs. Especially handy to dodge premade attempts or certain LBs used by competent players to ruin your BH.
But, I'm mostly a CC player, and not especially a FL tryhard by any means. I've always found smite pretty overblown for what it does—but I do use it on certain melees that already have escape options and a lack of offensive power like RPR.

After the changes to BH though, and smite going through guard now, yeah, I'm probably gonna be a lot less inclined to use Swift ever.

Originally Posted by VictorSpoils

Because every single match has two teams trying to win. All of the people that refuse to fight anyone are conveniently funneled onto your team. This is how three-team PvP operates, and the matchmaking in this game does not reward individual performances.

Not in my experience. There is always some manner of unavoidable discrepancy between teams born out of rng, but this specific example is far from the norm so far from what I've seen. I've had a lot of games where a more organic spread between all teams.
I only took this example to illustrate that a lot of players still struggle to gain BH up.

Originally Posted by Esmoire

All the melee have great escapes, yeah. Even as a MNK or VPR, if you are ever in trouble and don't have a line of sight to someone to zip towards, it was probably not a fight to be in. For dealing with cc, it's ideal to use guard or purify before it hits, rather than after. SAM and VPR even get a free ticket out in their base kits.

Not that Swift isn't useful per se, but I'd gladly spend the MP to get in or out and have a tool that either gives me an early BH curve or, in the case of SAM especially, ridiculous sustain. Just millions and millions of healing, which now has a damage boost for some reason.

SAM has zero escape too though. You just have to hope that an enemy is somehow behind you and allows you to jump at them which is a big if. So what do you do once you're out of bloodbath? If you start running you can't really bloodbath anymore. If bloodbath is over, what do you do to get out?

Originally Posted by Deccado

Legitimate question for those who are so set against this; how is it actually impacting your matches?

As a middling solo queue player, I am finding my matches are actually really close for the most part, which is making them a lot more fun. It is making me wonder, though, whether the changes are lessening the gap between the higher skill players and the rest of us, and whether that was the idea.

Matches are now even more one sided than ever before. Before the patch, PvP-centric players knew that building BH at the beginning of the match gives the highest chance of winning, the BH change makes it even more-so. The team that pushes for early aggression (usually due to having more knowledgeable PvP players) get to run away with the match. If you're not on the stacked team, it is impossible to target those high priority targets due to their entire team having BH5, and it's even harder to quickly spot them amongst the sea of BH5s, so you can't even focus target and knock down those high priority target's BH anymore, so they're always going full bore throughout the entire match.

All the trash crybabies that complained about BH, has made Frontlines significantly worse as a result, and the funny part is, even with the change, they still can't even manage to make it to BH5 before the end of the match.

Originally Posted by Fawkes

This feels like "Battle High is going away in 8.0, enjoy it while you can"

Hopefully sooner, rather than later. Current BH system has made playing solo tank/melee even worse and frustrating.

Went from being able to engage with rampage/full swing on tank jobs, to rampart being a requirement.

Originally Posted by MisterNublet

Matches are now even more one sided than ever before. Before the patch, PvP-centric players knew that building BH at the beginning of the match gives the highest chance of winning, the BH change makes it even more-so. The team that pushes for early aggression (usually due to having more knowledgeable PvP players) get to run away with the match.

That is what I have noticed in FL also. Had a match yesterday where 20+ BH happened on a team within minutes and ignored the objectives just by wrapping around and pinching one team from behind.
Guess which team won in total domination shortly after.
The fact that ignoring the objective, in an objective based pvp mode is just so significant to winning seems wrong.

At least with the loss of BH on death you could potentially de power an overwhelming foe. Its rare but it was interesting when it did happen.

Edit -> Not to say that the aggression from before was bad, i actually like it, but now we are seemly ignoring objectives at the start of the match, where as before the aggression was more focused on getting objectives even at the start, and hanging back to make sure it was captured wasn't as large as a personal determent as it seems now.