Normal editor tools. When?

[Moon_Rabbit]

Oh, im accidently find you answer in this thread
Feature Request: Allow us to SAVE & LOAD housing furnishing presets or layouts!

Please, very invested in my layout.

For some reason you asking for a feature that would help you to preserve the results of your painstaking work and save the time. Indeed, this feature looks very userfull and promising.
But heeeeey.... What about the friction? Isn't it a bit too easy to move an entire house from point A to point B with a single click of a button? This is a fully automated process.
Ppls will be able to simply copy-past their design and spread between the other players! Imagine if your real-life home were demolished by a tornado or a tsunami—you would have to spend a huge amount of time rebuilding it!

Is that not the SAME? Or are you just being a hypocrite? ^_^

[GomJabbar]

That screen is triggering some cleaning compulsion I didn't even know I had!

[Burmecia]

So is art the process or the outcome?

i can't think of reason why these two concepts should be appraised separately.
eh, both paintings and performances are art, so i guess both are. like, #things, pieces of artisti, and #actions, process of creating art.

The entire creative process would be annihilated.

the fact that someone invented acrylic paints won't stop anyone painting with oil paints. tho, if the glitches were taken away, i guess that would "annihilate" the process for those who wanna keep on glitching.
is that reason not to update the system for positioning virtual furniture in video game house? guess that's debatable.

being told no periodically is the catalyst to kick creativity into overdrive to turn that no into a yes by force.

that's interesting philosophy. there is truth to it, but it's not the only truth. people can make interesting art without facing hardships and suffering.

[Solowing]

That screen is triggering some cleaning compulsion I didn't even know I had!

Better?

[Solowing]

i can't think of reason why these two concepts should be appraised separately.
eh, both paintings and performances are art, so i guess both are. like, #things, pieces of artisti, and #actions, process of creating art.


the fact that someone invented acrylic paints won't stop anyone painting with oil paints. tho, if the glitches were taken away, i guess that would "annihilate" the process for those who wanna keep on glitching.
is that reason not to update the system for positioning virtual furniture in video game house? guess that's debatable.


that's interesting philosophy. there is truth to it, but it's not the only truth. people can make interesting art without facing hardships and suffering.

The question ultimately comes down to is, are you willing to fight the friction to see the vision to see that vision realized. Is the vision simply not worth it if the effort is more then youre willing to put into it? Does the vision matter if you're not willing to deal with friction to bring that vision to life? It remains an idea stuck in your head. UN.\nLess , the tools are handed to you to create it. You are not taking creativity in your own hands.You're expecting someone to give it to you. (Not you)


You can't fake the effort. And housing as it currently is really good at showing how much effort someone is willing to put into see that vision through. This sweat tax elevates.The house on top of is the creative vision. Because I see the end result, but I also see the friction and the perseverance they took to get it there. And that is what is where the magic is.

I get your logic and why people want to improve the tools. But this slips right in the automation discussion and where the human soul lies in the art.

However, one say that the tools need to be improved to remove friction.You naturally progress to a I as a tool for creative endeavors, point you've just removed the human out of the art. And it's all about curation, about make the clouds blue, move it here, make them smaller, left, put them on coordinates X:27 Y:32 Z:12.

At the end of the day , if it's all about the vision then I can ai prompt my way into the ai giving me the vision in my head. That is simply an improvement of the tool that removes the human hand out of it entirely. At that point the soul is where? I don't need to touch the work but that I can prompt and curate the results it until it matches my vision.Is that still art? Despite never having a hand in the proccess outside of offloading the labor to a to automation, to skip the "hard parts"

[Burmecia]

are you willing to fight the friction to see the vision [...] realized.

artist might choose to use tools which are not the easiest to use, but fighting friction isn't the only way to imbue meaning into art, because there is many ways to experience art--it's pretty normal for art piece's creator and it's observer to experience the work differently. that's what art critique is literally all about, and most artists agree that it is good thing.

i was never one to rely on artist's intentions to reveal me the soul or spoonfeed me the ultimate meaning and of any creative work. i'm perfectly alright to agree to disagree with anyone who believes art must be sweat and blood and tears to be somehow elevated.

and ai is a tool. what is spits out is entirely up the the person who is using it, and if they have enough brain cells to do quality control on the outcome.

[Solowing]

artist might choose to use tools which are not the easiest to use, but fighting friction isn't the only way to imbue meaning into art, because there is many ways to experience art--it's pretty normal for art piece's creator and it's observer to experience the work differently. that's what art critique is literally all about, and most artists agree that it is good thing.

i was never one to rely on artist's intentions to reveal me the soul or spoonfeed me the ultimate meaning and of any creative work. i'm perfectly alright to agree to disagree with anyone who believes art must be sweat and blood and tears to be somehow elevated.

and ai is a tool. what is spits out is entirely up the the person who is using it, and if they have enough brain cells to do quality control on the outcome.

Understand let's sweat and tears is not exactly literal, but more metaphorical term for effort.

Effort requires suffering. Because effort is friction. When you pick up a weight that requires effort that requires you to tear the muscles to build them back stronger. You are suffering, but suffering and struggle is what causes you to grow.

Struggle in friction is not a negative connotations. It is the crucible creativity is forged on. Creativity and a vision doesn't wait for the tools.It takes it in the own hands. Creativity doesnt ask to be allowed to exist. It DEMANDS to be let out friction be damned.

[Moon_Rabbit]

Understand let's sweat and tears is not exactly literal, but more metaphorical term for effort.
Effort requires suffering. Because effort is friction. When you pick up a weight that requires effort that requires you to tear the muscles to build them back stronger. You are suffering, but suffering and struggle is what causes you to grow.
Struggle in friction is not a negative connotations. It is the crucible creativity is forged on. Creativity and a vision doesn't wait for the tools.It takes it in the own hands. Creativity doesnt ask to be allowed to exist. It DEMANDS to be let out friction be damned.

Considering your actual drawing skills, you are—to put it mildly—in no position to lecture anyone on global creativity.
And yet, you keep spouting the same nonsense in every post, like a broken record.

If we look at FFXIV alone, all you’ve done is build a house or two in-game, just like the rest of us.
This means you’re no worse than anyone else, but you’re no better either.
Keep your "friction" to yourself, let the others decide by themselves and I won't say a word against it.

In any case, could I ask you to stop spamming this thread with your drawings in a future? It is a nice hobby, but this thread is not your personal gallery; furthermore, it is off-topic.

[Solowing]

Considering your actual drawing skills, you are—to put it mildly—in no position to lecture anyone on global creativity.
You’re all talk, constantly repeating the same nonsense like a broken record in every post.

If we look at FFXIV alone, all you’ve done is build a house or two in-game, just like the rest of us.
This means you’re no worse than anyone else, but you’re no better either—so you’re in no position to dictate what’s best for all.
Keep your "friction" to yourself, and I won't say another word.

In any case, could I ask you to stop spamming this thread with your drawings in a future? It is a nice hobby, but this thread is not your personal gallery; furthermore, it is off-topic.

It's not all talk because i'm paying and have paid the sweat tax. Actually , practicing what I preach by taking on the friction of something that i'm naturally not good at. And letting the friction be the forge that creativity and problem solving skill are tempered on.

Actually , I did my plots by hand because i'm console. On the other hand are pc, with some tools. You can't fake the sweat tax.There's too many towels in your houses that showed that.You skipped it entirely. You don't have the grit to fight friction to create, if it's too hard. Your vision is nothing more than ideas that stay in your head because if the tools aren't given to you, you wont take it into your own hands.

That's not.\nGoing to happen. Just like you I pay my subscription. In my opinion is just as valid as yours. I've never said your opinion was invalid.But your opinion does lack weight compared to mine. I fully do my builds entirely by hand. Yours uses tools that automate the process. And yes the word automate is intentional. You don't ask someone who brings their car to a mechanic to repair it on how their car functions, you ask the mechanic. They're the ones actually under the hood , doing the work.

And\nNo that's not going to happen, i'm going to keep bringing the friction in this thread. I said my validation is internal, not external. You're looking to mob to dogpile me into silence, turn all you're doing is tempering the very ideals that I hold. Like I said , Its fine its your point of view your view and you're entitled to it , but I find it deeply disrespectful to a creative craft. You have a consumer mindset, while thinking that you are creative and the tools are what's holding you back. It never was the tools.It was your approach to it.

But no, I'm gonna keep the linking whatever images I want.If you have a problem with it , feel free to report it. But I advise against doing so , because given your passive aggressive insults throughout this entire thread , you'll be putting yourself in the crosshairs, i haven't reported you because you're insults are pretty surface level stuff. They lack the bite an the teeth to sink in as a actual insult.

[Solowing]

It's the player based mindset of they want their game built with the manual , love and grit of developers doing the hard work.

But demand ultimate convenience for themselves

But the moment AI comes up as a convenience tool for companies. The player is suddenly don't like the idea of automation when it comes to something they enjoy..

Thats cognitive dissonance.

My logic is consistent, the sweat tax must be paid for the soul. Where the player sentiment shift depending on whos doing the automation. Themselves or the company.

Im not saying I agree with it, but I will weaponize it to hold your feet to the fire. To see if your logic holds consistency, or is it fluid and changing depending on circumstance.