Normal editor tools. When?

[CidHeiral]

Ironically , enough for fort T model users had a much better understanding of the mechanics of their cars then we do modern day cars because of thr computer automation. There is no need to learn a system that's automated. Before automation , you needed to know the function. And why it functions that way.

And yes, you do open a 3rd eye. Understand you can Z axis and lift it up, and I can glitch it up, but its convergent design. As Im setting it all up for a lift, the limitations,the unexpected design changes, the willingness to invest the time, and the effort you are willing to put in all affect the end result. The loft gets put up. But I'm far less exposed to alternate routes since no alternate route is presented. Since the path of A to B is clear with no puzzle to solve and no emergent designs I could come up with because the opportunity never presents itself.

We are into housing for 2 different aspects. Through its limitations, it breeds creativity. Through creativity, I create. No limits.

And you want to decorate for your FC.

And Yes, the "anguish" as you call it. I call it soul, and effort. Is reflected because I loft things up myself and I know what the effort took for them to get up. Against those who don't know how to manipulate the system, and those who can manipulate it but don't have the care to lofting anything more then small items. You can see the love, care and time input by the output when you know the time and effort it takes to create it.

We are just on 2 different wavelengths. You arnt wrong, nor am I. Im just the old cat yelling at clouds, pretty much saying the glitching gave you grit and a creativity ya cant get from streamlining the proccess. Yes its easier now, and that's not bad. But something is lost in that.

Bob Ross famously said, "We don't make mistakes, just happy little accidents". This phrase embodies his philosophy on painting and life, encouraging viewers to embrace unexpected errors as opportunities for creativity rather than reasons for frustration. It taught millions to overcome the fear of failure on canvas

You are clearly not understanding a word of what I'm saying so I'll leave it at that. Take care.

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In some ways the house decoration system in 2026 is more or less on par with children’s MMOs from 2012…

[Moon_Rabbit]

You are clearly not understanding a word of what I'm saying so I'll leave it at that. Take care.

This is their way. Square Enix released a very limited editor, and instead of wanting and asking for more, those ppl just went along with it. Moreover, they began to propagandize that only in such conditions creativity is born.
This is all sad, considering that the glitch they praise is essentially a bug, a game logic mistake. And if the developer ever had fixed it, they wouldn't have even the crumbs that they have now.

[Solowing]

Creation as a process, shouldn't be the path of pain and sorrow. Hard times already made strong men, strong men brought us new brushes and the only question is to accept it or not. Your point of view sounds very ortodoxie for me, which is also a synonym of stagnation. New instruments = new possibilities, more involved artists = more new works. I want to see this future, and i dosn't see where is a problem.

Actually its not a new instrument because the function was always there. It just lowers the barrier of entry but lifting the floor up to match everyone who was already doing the advanced stuff.

IM stagnate? You are saying the tools make the Artist, not the artist makes the tools. When someone does housing with me. They don't believe themselves a Artist because they think the canvas or the brush holds them back. The only thing holding them back is their creativity and the willingness to commit to creating that feeling.

Sure its a lot easier, to automate the proccess yourself. But a A to B placement will never come close to the feeling of overcoming an design brick wall and accidently creating a new emergent design.

Im trying to get them through the process of designing a housing unit. Im trying to teach them how to utilize the creativity they never though they had. Because its how I discovered my own creativity. In the end they aren't moving a item from A to B they are being made to think outside the box, that every bump in the road is a opportunity to be challenged and questioned. Those challenges and questions affect the final product, in a way where A to B placement skips the lateral thinking aspect.

[Solowing]

You are clearly not understanding a word of what I'm saying so I'll leave it at that. Take care.

You mistakening "I dont see it that way" with "I don't understand"

I find your way is hollow to me and lacks soul. and you find my process restrictive and unnecessary.

We are on 2 entirely different wavelengths. I understand you. I don't agree with it. Not you're wrong for having your perspective

IMO Art is a process not just progress. Sure. I can create my character in chatgpt or something. But doing it with my own 2 hands and struggling every step of the way to come to the end result makes it feel more meaningful to me because its the result of what I did an every lesson along the way that got it there.

[Moon_Rabbit]

Actually its not a new instrument because the function was always there. It just lowers the barrier of entry but lifting the floor up to match everyone who was already doing the advanced stuff.

Well, actullay, 3D axis vector its different way of interraction, its allow you to use dirrect manipulation with object. While the glich required support objects to do the same, but with less level of controll. For me its sounds like new instrument.

IM stagnate? You are saying the tools make the Artist, not the artist makes the tools. When someone does housing with me. They don't believe themselves a Artist because they think the canvas or the brush holds them back. The only thing holding them back is their creativity and the willingness to commit to creating that feeling.

Stagnation, in this case, is your reluctance to accept new things.I didn’t say that without a tool there is no artist, I said that a proper tool can make an artist’s work better. It's a big difference.

Sure its a lot easier, to automate the proccess yourself. But a A to B placement will never come close to the feeling of overcoming an design brick wall and accidently creating a new emergent design.

Automation of the process is when an object from point A to point B is moved by program logic, without the direct control of the player.

Im trying to get them through the process of designing a housing unit. Im trying to teach them how to utilize the creativity they never though they had. Because its how I discovered my own creativity. In the end they aren't moving a item from A to B they are being made to think outside the box, that every bump in the road is a opportunity to be challenged and questioned. Those challenges and questions affect the final product, in a way where A to B placement skips the lateral thinking aspect.

You have found your way, congratulations! But why did you decide that this way is only one? I get inspiration from everything around me and outside of the game. I don't need what you need to create. Thats the point. I want to get the tools to realize as many of my fantasies as possible in the game, without spending 90% of the time on extra actions that are completely useless and brings me nothing.

[Solowing]

Well, actullay, 3D axis vector its different way of interraction, its allow you to use dirrect manipulation with object. While the glich required support objects to do the same, but with less level of controll. For me its sounds like new instrument.

Stagnation, in this case, is your reluctance to accept new things.I didn’t say that without a tool there is no artist, I said that a proper tool can make an artist’s work better. It's a big difference.

Automation of the process is when an object from point A to point B is moved by program logic, without the direct control of the player.

You have found your way, congratulations! But why did you decide that this way is only one? I get inspiration from everything around me and outside of the game. I don't need what you need to create. Thats the point. I want to get the tools to realize as many of my fantasies as possible in the game, without spending 90% of the time on extra actions that are completely useless and brings me nothing.

When did I say I was arguing against it? I said there is something lost in that. Not its the only way.

Typing made writing easier, but penmanship became a lost art. Should we be forced back into parchment and quill? No, but there is something lost in the simplification.

[Moon_Rabbit]

When did I say I was arguing against it? I said there is something lost in that. Not its the only way.
Typing made writing easier, but penmanship became a lost art. Should we be forced back into parchment and quill? No, but there is something lost in the simplification.

An autentic expirience? Well, you can always limiting yourself with the way how to create. And i don't think SE will change system too much, if they do in future.
Anyway, remember history, keep up with the future.

[Solowing]

An autentic expirience? Well, you can always limiting yourself with the way how to create. And i don't think SE will change system too much, if they do in future.
Anyway, remember history, keep up with the future.

Have you ever seen someones handwriting and go "Wow that's impressive!"

Do you feel the same way about the same message typed in standard Times New Romans Font?

Its how I feel. Times New Roman is easier to read, then fluid practiced script. One is utilitarian, and the other one is expression. In the end the message is the same. Just written through a lense of either the end result is the result, or the expression is written into the end result.

[Moon_Rabbit]

Have you ever seen someones handwriting and go "Wow that's impressive!"
Do you feel the same way about the same message typed in standard Times New Romans Font?
I get it, you want the ocean of Housing accessibility to be wide. But I want it to have depth.

People usually upsets about lost opportunities rather than gaining new ones... You said that an artist creates a work, not a tool. So if its works become worse or lose the depth, then this is the fault of the artist, not the tool.
The ability to adapt to new things (which came many years after the game’s release) is the key skill of a good creator.