Normal editor tools. When?

[Moon_Rabbit]

Is the thing if the players want anything that makes them stand out standardized then how can you stand out? What's if the players found another glitch that innovate , right? Just like the lofts that helped innovate housing, we're gonna demand that be standardized and given to everyone.So that you've then standardized the innovation.

In a game where the only innovation was the loft , what innovations next? People say innovation's gonna come , but has no idea what innovation even looks like looks like. Especially when they asked for the master key that never tells them no.

You can't break limits when there are none, you can't innovate when there's nothing to innovate. It's a perfect tool with no flaws. If you're trying to make a system with no friction. It's like trying to write a story about a omnipotent perfect God main character. They're boring characters , because there's no friction to give them texture. It's a flat character that offers no pushback , no questions no conundrum to work out. People loved flawed character , because you can see the struggle , the growth, the relation.

If they do put the z,s in game , it doesn't change anything , and just simply devalues the work done by those who mastered the system over time, but also flattens out the skill curve.

I don't know, people say we're going to find another innovation? Anything you innovate will simply be copy/ pasted or demanded that it be standardized so everyone can create that innovation.

I'm just not a fan of the commodification of discovery is all.

You also said before:

If everyone stand out, noone stands out.

You have 3 dimensions, hundreds of housing items, different sources of light...but only glitch can bring yourself a satisfaction, just because not each player can use it, right this moment.
I don't know what to say, except suggest to throw away your pencils and brushes after future update. Seems like you're not interested in design. Your answer was as clear as possible for me.

[Solowing]

Seems like you're not interested in design. Your answer was as clear as possible for me.

I can direct you to a opticologist if you need. I argue for the friction that helps expand creativity. Were just arguing for 2 different aspects within the same thing. You want freedom, I find that limitation helps breeds the creativity. Not that its a limitation itself. As you see me telling people off in some post saying the housing size defines their capability to utilize it. You not having a glitch doesn't make you incapable of making a good room, its thinking that it does, and because of that it needs to be standardized.


Sure getting a space done in 2 hours is nice....But what left? You don't get that bit of remorse when you finish a project? WHen you're happy you're finished but you're bummed because their no more after 2 weeks of turning your space into a random assortment of random crap Strawn throughout the space. And watch it slowly begin to take shape, sometimes they stay, sometimes they reform into something else that suits the space even better.


Artistically its kinda like reading the prologue and then skipping to the end for the happy ending IMO. I understand people want that. But I get the uncomfortable feeling about it. Like wheres the soul? Rather then what's the end result? I see it but I no longer feel it.

There's a guy on YouTube that doesn't shorts about F1 Racing and the FFA and the ABSOLUTELY BONKERS things the engineers do, to bend the rules to the limits, and in that you find innovation. Not by throwing the rulebook itself out, but getting creative with its interpretation of the rules, to innovate past them

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I'd love them expanding the tools so we can place things freely without the hassle of glitches. And we know they've at least mentioned it, but with the snails pace they work on housing I don't expect that to be brought in for another couple years. Guild wars 2 housing has a lot more freedom in placement which is nice, something like that would be cool. Esp since they can also alter the size of the objects too. The creativity gw2 players have been able to show due to the freedom it has is nutty. Having to work with a jank system to express your creativity is a barrier for people that needn't be there. Whether someone is creative or not is not dictated by their ability to tolerate annoyance. They stand out on the basis of their artistic expression, rather than dealing with a crappy limited system and that's how it should be imo.

In the meantime I finally got around to sorting my FC in chaos to buy it's house so next lotto I can start bidding on a lil plot. Probably shiro since that's the only place I don't have a house atm. Think I will try and grab one of the beachside smalls cause a few went through with 0 bids this round and I expect that to remain the case for the next one. That'll bring me up to 8 houses. Not sure what theme to go with for it, I went with monster hunter/guild type idea for the mist beach plot since the collab was giving me the hunting inspiration. Might wander the wards and see if I can get any nice ideas.

[Solowing]

I'd love them expanding the tools so we can place things freely without the hassle of glitches. And we know they've at least mentioned it, but with the snails pace they work on housing I don't expect that to be brought in for another couple years. Guild wars 2 housing has a lot more freedom in placement which is nice, something like that would be cool. Esp since they can also alter the size of the objects too. The creativity gw2 players have been able to show due to the freedom it has is nutty. Having to work with a jank system to express your creativity is a barrier for people that needn't be there. Whether someone is creative or not is not dictated by their ability to tolerate annoyance. They stand out on the basis of their artistic expression, rather than dealing with a crappy limited system and that's how it should be imo.

In the meantime I finally got around to sorting my FC in chaos to buy it's house so next lotto I can start bidding on a lil plot. Probably shiro since that's the only place I don't have a house atm. Think I will try and grab one of the beachside smalls cause a few went through with 0 bids this round and I expect that to remain the case for the next one. That'll bring me up to 8 houses. Not sure what theme to go with for it, I went with monster hunter/guild type idea for the mist beach plot since the collab was giving me the hunting inspiration. Might wander the wards and see if I can get any nice ideas.

I just ask they, make it something I can toggle into. I want to keep it that way I have it.

[CidHeiral]

You mistakening "I dont see it that way" with "I don't understand"

I find your way is hollow to me and lacks soul. and you find my process restrictive and unnecessary.

We are on 2 entirely different wavelengths. I understand you. I don't agree with it. Not you're wrong for having your perspective

IMO Art is a process not just progress. Sure. I can create my character in chatgpt or something. But doing it with my own 2 hands and struggling every step of the way to come to the end result makes it feel more meaningful to me because its the result of what I did an every lesson along the way that got it there.

This post only further proves that you haven't understood anything I've said.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I just ask they, make it something I can toggle into. I want to keep it that way I have it.

I wouldn't object to it. But I don't know that they would do it either. In any case, at least you enjoy it! I'll continue to suffer till something changes haha.

[Solowing]

This post only further proves that you haven't understood anything I've said.

"I dont wanna have to glitch it up, I just wanna place it"

Seems pretty self explanatory to me