Dawntrail relic demiatma in 7.4 almost 7.5

[drgnmstr44]

so it's 7.4 almost 7.5.

Why in the heck is the Dawntrain relic first step still an insatiable grind?

you built in the Occult Crescent and want people to do it there. while I understand the drop rates for the demiatma initially were 20% inside OC ant 5% outside on initial launch of the relic, it's freaking patch 7.4 and about to be 7.5 end of the month. the drop rates are abysmal in both ways to do the content. if you truly wanted people to play the OC content, the drop rates would be a lot more than 20%. should be close to 75% or 80% at this point. outside should be somewhere close to 30% at this point.

the one thing Square Enix, Yoshi P, and the entire dev team fails at the most is adjustment for content after it is current. it's like they all have a hard on for insatiable grinds that make absolutely no sense, then they all complain people aren't doing the stuff the delivered. This game has become a game where if you aren't blizting the content when initial;ly release, you aren't getting it done at all and it's absolutely insane the development team has it's head so far up it's ass that it can't even see the problem is one of thier own making and one they could easilly correct yet chose not to do anything about.

bottom line: if you take a break from this game, you aren't getting anything done in the game outside of the MSQ story. This game suffers from a dev team stuck on a high of 14 million+ subs and watching their game decline becuase they can't realize why.

[VeyaAkemi]

Why in the heck is the Dawntrain relic first step still an insatiable grind?

Because Relic steps get nerfed into the next expansion, not in the same one. /thread

[RedLolly]

The pain is it's RNG. I got most in pretty decent time. Then the Realgar took so long I maxed out fates several days before I got the last TWO. As soon as you clear it, the grind shifts to being rewarding daily roulettes and using tomestones. I have 7 different weapons of the first step. Working on multiples of the second while starting the sand I'm now starting the third.

The ARR and HW Atmas are nowhere near the rates you ask for. Expecting them to jump to 75% isn't a grind at all and won't get you to stick to the content it's attached to. But raising everything by 10% is more than reasonable at this point.

But I don't expect any change until 8.0, when we step out of Dawntrail.

[Jeeqbit]

I have alts. This step would not prevent me doing the relics on alts. What prevents me doing it on alts is:

- Needing to grind roulettes which benefit from being dailies.
- Needing things crafted because I don't have the same degree of social contacts on alts.

The steps like demiatma and paste would be easy and quick for me personally. 100 FATEs per zone isn't much if you actually play the game, and pastes are not much different than farming some mogtomes, which most find quick and easy.

[MayuAmakura]

I have alts. This step would not prevent me doing the relics on alts. What prevents me doing it on alts is:

- Needing to grind roulettes which benefit from being dailies.
- Needing things crafted because I don't have the same degree of social contacts on alts.

The steps like demiatma and paste would be easy and quick for me personally. 100 FATEs per zone isn't much if you actually play the game, and pastes are not much different than farming some mogtomes, which most find quick and easy.

For me, easiest way to get pastes was doing deep dungeon pilgrim's traverse. needs about 5-6 runs at the last stage of 600 paste.

[CCheshire]

I have alts. This step would not prevent me doing the relics on alts. What prevents me doing it on alts is:

- Needing to grind roulettes which benefit from being dailies.
- Needing things crafted because I don't have the same degree of social contacts on alts.

The steps like demiatma and paste would be easy and quick for me personally. 100 FATEs per zone isn't much if you actually play the game, and pastes are not much different than farming some mogtomes, which most find quick and easy.

The crafted items are extremely cheap nowadays for awhile too and either way the NPC will ask for 400k gil which is not possible to skip too.

Also, yeah, SE only will nerf old content, and DT relic is very current content meant for the break before 8.0. I've gone back and done partial ARR and 1 HW relics so I'm used to them boosting the rates but only many years later for glams.

If you played like 2-3 hrs every day, then there's a high chance it would've been done now since the following steps have much less RNG suffering.

[Maltothoris]

I would say the one exception would be shadowbringers. A lot of the nerfs to those actually happened in the same expansion, albeit at the tail end of it.

[AlliciaCapulet]

Why in the heck is the Dawntrain relic first step still an insatiable grind?

In the opposite, the relics are still too easy to get, almost the same than in EW. OC is pointless. I misses the days of Bozja...

Like, don't worry, you'll do that step then it's done, it's just tomestone like EW. Step 2 is done outside OC and can be done quickly too, and step 3 is even worst, the OC reward is probably the least productive, so again, you'll do it outside OC.

They really screwed up the relics. They could have made another fun place like Bozja, where people who like to farm could do it, with duels and fun things to do... But instead we have the worst from ARR for the first step, then a lack of imagination for step 2 and 3, and oh, just do stuff that aren't relics and you'll get all of them easily...

I really hope that the next expansion will be more like ShB and not EW/DT.

[drgnmstr44]

I have alts. This step would not prevent me doing the relics on alts. What prevents me doing it on alts is:

- Needing to grind roulettes which benefit from being dailies.
- Needing things crafted because I don't have the same degree of social contacts on alts.

The steps like demiatma and paste would be easy and quick for me personally. 100 FATEs per zone isn't much if you actually play the game, and pastes are not much different than farming some mogtomes, which most find quick and easy.

100 fates per zone might have been a good measure when zones were instanced to 3 and everyone was doing them. the issue is RNG based at stupid low levels in both places, waiting on fates for worse that CEs, and one of the colors has exactly 1 CE that is spawned by killing mobs.

As for changes: I expect to see changes as we play through like they did with Bozja. Every new step caused the previous step to be slightly easier. 20% drop isn't a lot and after spending 10 full lockouts in OC I only walked away with 5 total of different colors. This isn't a grind. it's gambling. dungeons are a grind. crafting is a grind. waiting for the RNG to be nice and not seeing it is BS

[drgnmstr44]

In the opposite, the relics are still too easy to get, almost the same than in EW. OC is pointless. I misses the days of Bozja...

Like, don't worry, you'll do that step then it's done, it's just tomestone like EW. Step 2 is done outside OC and can be done quickly too, and step 3 is even worst, the OC reward is probably the least productive, so again, you'll do it outside OC.

They really screwed up the relics. They could have made another fun place like Bozja, where people who like to farm could do it, with duels and fun things to do... But instead we have the worst from ARR for the first step, then a lack of imagination for step 2 and 3, and oh, just do stuff that aren't relics and you'll get all of them easily...

I really hope that the next expansion will be more like ShB and not EW/DT.

I actually like the idea of tomestones for follow up weapons. I don't like the idea of using RNG, not boosting it, and trying to pass it off as a grind. it's gambling/gotcha mechanics. not a grind. I would have thought at this point the drop rates would be increased.