[dev1021] Skill Points and EXP values are way too low.

[Speeral]

First off my numbers are completely accurate, and the data was taken the same day as my post 3/29/2011.

my character
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...cicuid=1545022

When I saw how bad skill points and exp points I was getting i went to my characters lodestone page to see what I started at and compare it to what I was currently at. And started logging my experiences to make this post. So the devs can hear my story and maybe fix it. I got a lot of those find the white light leves which did not yield much SP and made me run all over the map trying to find them. Luck of the draw I suppose. If you say you never get less then 5k I can tell you now that is false seeing as I only got 1695 on 4 of them.

When you say appropriate level I thinking you are meaning higher then 1 star correct? That just isn't possible when imps which check as blue which should be easy prey hit you for 80% of your HP. 2 stars is pretty impossible solo, due to the incoming damage. I even took the advice of fellow in game players and got cure, sacrifice (regen), and second wind to help out as you can see I actually took time to level a few other classes. Even with the ability to heal myself its not really possible to do more then 1 star the amount of incoming damage is too much to heal and if i heal myself all the time the mob will not die since its not being damaged.

I have no reason to lie about what happened. I just want the game improved. It still is very lacking since I had the experience I had that day.

To get a sense of other mmos and leveling and progression rates rates take this for example:
In FFXI which I played today actually I can go from level 75 to 90 in about 4 hours when leveling various jobs. Killed several NMs in abyssea for Empyrean weapons only took a couple hours downed 10 nms got 15/50 items I needed to finish the sword I am working on.

When the FFXI and FFXIV servers were down I played my WoW account, had to play something right, my paladin on WoW is already capped and geared out so started a new character a hunter soloed took her from 1 to 85 the cap in a week all solo with quests, and geared her our for starter raids in 2 days, was doing end game raids after that.

The amount of exp you get solo in FFXIV is way worse then FFXI ever was. When FFXI came out I got to level 30 solo without a problem. Started grouping in the kazham area at that point but it was fairly easy to find groups. Was the 2nd NA player on my server to hit level 75. So I do no a thing or two about leveling fast. It is not easy find groups at all in FFXIV like it as in FFXI. Past accomplishments in games do relate to new games in that it shows a greater understanding of the MMO genre.

We even had videos for FFXI to show off the stuff we were killing before anyone else could http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NzoD6SdE9A

Well after checking out your character I do see some deficiencies in stats and skills. Here is what i propose if you want to be able to do devlit leve's solo and much more easilly. I did the one you did at nanawa last night Corpus Adamance. I will first recommend you use the next few leve resets and saved GA for leveling ur thaum and conj to 20 for the heals. you're short on the ability to cure yourself so when impish incantations hits you do not have enough cure to regen urself to a safe health level.

I am currently levelling 3 classes to 30 and my pug is also 28 almost 29. I know what happened and I will walk the leve through with you to ensure you can get maxiumum sp out of it. Corpus Adamance solo with GA at your rank 2 star is easily doable I did it last night and I have zero HQ gear just a more available skill set then you.

When you launch this leve have just protect in your bar with Sacrifice 2 and Cure 2 set that will allow for fast heals when needed after impish incantations. Also to enhance your dmg I would level Arch to 10 for raging strike as well I see your shield skill is rank 20+ take Shield bash and Aegis Boon and add that to your bar and 1 or 2 good weapon skills. that should have you with all the tools you need to beat this leve from a skill and stat side.


Now onto maximizing your exp and SP from this leve. At 2 star you can easily do this with what I proposed above and in no time beat it. Now when you start the leve make sure to attack the wisps first that way you can get the brightash they drop. Then once you have the brightash use it on the ladybugs to detect if they are ladybugs or devlits if not a devlit then attack it and kill it. If the devlit pops then run away from it until it disengages you and then leave that one devlit for last and kill all the other leve mobs and then the devlit last. This will ensure maximum sp for the leve.


I do strongly urge you to level both conj and thm to 20 first and archer to 10 take the few skills you need and you won't have a single problem. That leve alone should net 3-5k sp if done properly.
If after that you still have problems I would asses how you play the game.

also check out my character on the lodestone Speeral Olbodra you can see I have all the base classes to about 20 and a few over. This has been instrumental in helping me have higher stats and more skills/tools available to me as I level.

edited for spelling

[Allanon]

First off my numbers are completely accurate, and the data was taken the same day as my post 3/29/2011.

my character
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...cicuid=1545022

When I saw how bad skill points and exp points I was getting i went to my characters lodestone page to see what I started at and compare it to what I was currently at. And started logging my experiences to make this post. So the devs can hear my story and maybe fix it. I got a lot of those find the white light leves which did not yield much SP and made me run all over the map trying to find them. Luck of the draw I suppose. If you say you never get less then 5k I can tell you now that is false seeing as I only got 1695 on 4 of them.

When you say appropriate level I thinking you are meaning higher then 1 star correct? That just isn't possible when imps which check as blue which should be easy prey hit you for 80% of your HP. 2 stars is pretty impossible solo, due to the incoming damage. I even took the advice of fellow in game players and got cure, sacrifice (regen), and second wind to help out as you can see I actually took time to level a few other classes. Even with the ability to heal myself its not really possible to do more then 1 star the amount of incoming damage is too much to heal and if i heal myself all the time the mob will not die since its not being damaged.

I have no reason to lie about what happened. I just want the game improved. It still is very lacking since I had the experience I had that day.

To get a sense of other mmos and leveling and progression rates rates take this for example:
In FFXI which I played today actually I can go from level 75 to 90 in about 4 hours when leveling various jobs. Killed several NMs in abyssea for Empyrean weapons only took a couple hours downed 10 nms got 15/50 items I needed to finish the sword I am working on.

When the FFXI and FFXIV servers were down I played my WoW account, had to play something right, my paladin on WoW is already capped and geared out so started a new character a hunter soloed took her from 1 to 85 the cap in a week all solo with quests, and geared her our for starter raids in 2 days, was doing end game raids after that.

The amount of exp you get solo in FFXIV is way worse then FFXI ever was. When FFXI came out I got to level 30 solo without a problem. Started grouping in the kazham area at that point but it was fairly easy to find groups. Was the 2nd NA player on my server to hit level 75. So I do no a thing or two about leveling fast. It is not easy find groups at all in FFXIV like it as in FFXI. Past accomplishments in games do relate to new games in that it shows a greater understanding of the MMO genre.

We even had videos for FFXI to show off the stuff we were killing before anyone else could http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NzoD6SdE9A

Not to rain on your parade, but FFXI was extremely difficult to level prior to the whining and complaining. Next not to be rude but FF is not for everyone. The games are meant to be hard and you are supposed to feel something when you accomplish something. I don't feel that now. May I suggest you find a good LS to join to get you the EXP/SP you require.

In truth I am tired of the weekend warriors whining saying the game is to hard. They added MP regen which was crazy. They upped the SP you receive to a ridiculous amount. For example a LS member took almost since the start of the game to right before they upped the SP to reach level 50. After they upped the SP that same LS member got 2 jobs to level 50 within 5 weeks. So either they just play non-stop or you are not playing the game enough and exploring enough to find what works for SP and what does not. Furthermore the LS member I am talking about did this mostly soloing.

It seems to me that everyone wants this to be easy so they can reach 50 in 2 days like WoW.....I don't want that. Right now you are not even paying for the game are you suggesting that you would pay for the game if you got all your jobs to 50 before you even have to start paying. This game is way too easy in my book and I am tired of the dev giving into all the weekend warriors whining.

[Reika]

It is solo friendly, by way that you CAN solo past r12 unlike FFXI. That doesnt mean soloing is the best option. It is just better than sitting around in town waiting for a group.

I also see that she gained only 1695 sp from 4 R30 leves at r28. I That seems pretty exaggerated, because I get over 200sp per kill soloing nanawa or nophica leves with my R29 MRD, easily getting over 1000sp per leve. When I solo a R30 Leve at one star with my R37 Pugilist, however, I get around what she get from a single leve.

I of course only solo a leve when it is almost time for leve reset and it is already old from last reset.

[Zumi]

It is solo friendly, by way that you CAN solo past r12 unlike FFXI. That doesnt mean soloing is the best option. It is just better than sitting around in town waiting for a group.

I also see that she gained only 1695 sp from 4 R30 leves at r28. I That seems pretty exaggerated, because I get over 200sp per kill soloing nanawa or nophica leves with my R29 MRD, easily getting over 1000sp per leve. When I solo a R30 Leve at one star with my R37 Pugilist, however, I get around what she get from a single leve.

I of course only solo a leve when it is almost time for leve reset and it is already old from last reset.

Took them awhile to address soloing in FFXI but its more or less fixed now with FoVs and double exp rates outside abyssea. So if you want the solo option in FFXI its there now.

[Mr_Gyactus]

It is solo friendly, by way that you CAN solo past r12 unlike FFXI. That doesnt mean soloing is the best option. It is just better than sitting around in town waiting for a group.

I also see that she gained only 1695 sp from 4 R30 leves at r28. I That seems pretty exaggerated, because I get over 200sp per kill soloing nanawa or nophica leves with my R29 MRD, easily getting over 1000sp per leve. When I solo a R30 Leve at one star with my R37 Pugilist, however, I get around what she get from a single leve.

I of course only solo a leve when it is almost time for leve reset and it is already old from last reset.

Maybe OP has done some necrologos.
If we are too lucky with pages (and don't find monsters) the exp is really low.

Anyway party and behest is the way to follow, as already stated.

[Chory]

The thing is, you dont really need a party for low rank leves. Can easily get 500-1000SP/kill soloing leves 1-10 and you need like 5-15k SP/rank. The higher your rank is, you need more and more SP/rank, and you get less and less SP/kill soloing (both GL and regular mobs). Lets reward players with 200ish SP/kill from leves 1-10, and like 700ish SP/kill at ranks 40+.

[Viridiana]

Suggestions:
First off I would lower the EXP needed to level 1-20 felt about right with the time it took to get each level. Levels 21+ need to be lower exp needed to level. On top of that each time you complete a guild leve quest you should be rewarded with 5% of the total skill points and exp you need at your current level, along with some equipment and gil. It is very common for other MMOs to reward players with Exp when they finish a quest. It is very reasonable to do about 20 quests per level. The rate I am seeing ingame at the moment is about 80 guild leves to level at level 28.

(Underline mine)

So, 15 person party, each with 8 leves per 36 hours, each done at one star to finish quickly. . . that's 90 leves per reset, or 4.5 ranks and levels, not counting the SP you would get during the leves, or from behests.

You're right, that's a great idea.

Seriously, though, with proper parties and links it's already way too easy to get massive SP. I'm not saying there isn't something lacking in solo, but any suggestion put forward should take into account the already-easy method of partying.

[Zumi]

(Underline mine)

So, 15 person party, each with 8 leves per 36 hours, each done at one star to finish quickly. . . that's 90 leves per reset, or 4.5 ranks and levels, not counting the SP you would get during the leves, or from behests.

You're right, that's a great idea.

Seriously, though, with proper parties and links it's already way too easy to get massive SP. I'm not saying there isn't something lacking in solo, but any suggestion put forward should take into account the already-easy method of partying.

There in lies the problem finding 15 people doing all their leves 90 or so in 1 reset is a big organizational issue. They need to be simpler go in do your leves get something worth while out of it.

[Viridiana]

There in lies the problem finding 15 people doing all their leves 90 or so in 1 reset is a big organizational issue. They need to be simpler go in do your leves get something worth while out of it.

I'm not disagreeing that some people have trouble finding parties. For those of us with no such issues, however, what you're proposing would be such a horribly unfair advantage it's unbelievable.

[Prox]

I am just returning to the game from a couple month hiatus. And now I have no clue how to get good SP. I really never did in the first place lol. It sounds like a few of you have it figured out. Please enlighten me! If it requires PTing then how do I get a PT? My LS's are dead and there is never anyone using the party search function.

I'm R31 THM which is what I'm focusing on. And I'm on Mysidia. PT me! Thanks in advance