[dev1021] Skill Points and EXP values are way too low.

[Speeral]

First off I am not a new player, I have played FFXIV since the alpha. I been playing FFXI for 8 years, my FFXI linkshell had many server first kills Tiamat, Jorm, and Vrtra to name a few. We started with a linkshell made up of mostly FFXI players and some friends 39 people in total. They all quit playing except for like me who occasionally logs in. Most of them went back to FFXI or WoW. So when virtually all the people from a server first linkshell quit, yes there's a problem with the game.

This does need a dev tag because it needs to be read by a dev because its a problem with the game. Using the features in the game progression is just way too slow by today's MMO standards.



Sure maybe being in a party would result in faster kills and more exp just like in FFXI, not arguing with that. However there wasn't any people on the game to do these with. I am not talking about people in a linkshell since mine is empty but random people. I saw 0 people by the Nophica's Wells crystal and about 3 AFK people who were in the Nanawa Mines camp. There wasn't any other way to do these but on 1 star and even then they are pretty hard because a gladiator doesn't pull the highest damage by any means, and I am rank 28 and it says they are for rank 30. 2 star or above would result in me getting killed very fast, I still died a couple times on 1 star. Even on 1 star the imps can hit me for 80% of my HP with their special attack.

I am using the resources and people available in the game at the time I was playing to the best of my ability and my experience was not good which is why I am hope a dev reads this. There needs to be adjustments because people will have times they log on and see nobody in their level range doing these quests and have no choice but to solo them. SE wanted this game to be easier and more friendly to people trying to start out but it really isn't and they really need to lower the sp and exp curve.

Zumi,

What you did in XI does not carry over to hear its a different game with different systems. For nanawa mines in 1 Leve solo I can do about 3k SP and that's not the good ones like adamantice and the other I forgot its name. As well At nophica the least rewarding leve i've seen solo with the appropriate difficulty and GA I never get less than 5k sp. levin shower solo you can get 8-12k sp in less than 30minutes.

With the new sp system and stats being changed on how its distributed there is now way you less then 1700 sp for 4 leve's. No offence but this seems very troll like . . . . . Most leve's I can do even solo and get at least a full level from with GA. Right now the amount of SP handed out is very much easy mode, and I'm sorry to say but you are playing the game wrong or on to easy of a difficulty level.

[Prox]

I am just returning to the game from a couple month hiatus. And now I have no clue how to get good SP. I really never did in the first place lol. It sounds like a few of you have it figured out. Please enlighten me! If it requires PTing then how do I get a PT? My LS's are dead and there is never anyone using the party search function.

I'm R31 THM which is what I'm focusing on. And I'm on Mysidia. PT me! Thanks in advance

[Speeral]

I am just returning to the game from a couple month hiatus. And now I have no clue how to get good SP. I really never did in the first place lol. It sounds like a few of you have it figured out. Please enlighten me! If it requires PTing then how do I get a PT? My LS's are dead and there is never anyone using the party search function.

I'm R31 THM which is what I'm focusing on. And I'm on Mysidia. PT me! Thanks in advance

hey prox,

There's a few things you can at your rank for sp. If you're in Ul'dah which I highly recommend you to be. You should be doing your behests at either nanawa mines or at Nophica wells they both have good leve's available at your level and join those groups. often people doing leve's will pause them to do behest join up with them and then ask to join their leve party.

Also i would shout ini town to see if any ls's are looking for members, someone should send you a /t and an inv because all ls's still active are looking for members. As well there was a significant boost in how SP is delivered from solo'ing, pt, leves, and behest. Here is a list of good leve's you can do


Nophica Wells
Necrologos: Levinshower
Necrologos: The Light's Corrivals
Secret of the Sewers This one is ok decent sp
Securing Nophica's Wells this one as well is decent

Nanawa Mines
Necrologos: Adamantine Wills
Corpus Adamance

The rest are so so and are worth doing for the faction credits and gil rewards.

These ones when almost done and the last mob go to the aether and abandon them and on next reset you'll get them back rinse and repeat and you'll be onto your rank 40 leve's.

Necrologos: Adamantine Wills
Corpus Adamance
Necrologos: Levinshower
Necrologos: The Light's Corrivals

Once at rank 40 leve's the two in Ul'dah for Camp broken water are:

All Cracked Up
Dunesfolk for Dinner
Necrologos: Ranine Reveries

I hope that helps you get on your way with levelling up they give great sp and will fast track you to 50 in no time

[Fleur]

In a way I do sympathize with the OP here, though I must say, I usually get more SP than that even when soloing leves. Not a ton, mind you, but I usually get at least 1600 per leve even on a crummy leve with no GA.

But leves are touted as being great for people who don't have a lot of time and want to log in and make some progress in the limited time that they do have. They are supposed to be good for soloing since finding a party -- even a small one -- takes time and/or luck. As it is though, the discrepancy in SP gains from being in a leve-link party vs. soloing your leves is really huge.

But mind you, I have terrible luck finding leve parties, so my opinion probably differs from those of you that are more successful in this.

[AlexiaKidd]

As a group of 4 we do 6 Leves and get around 80k SP (100k if we do doubles)in 2 hours if we rush through. We do Dunesfolk, Cracked Up, Necro Ranine at Broken Water. The head to Nophica and do Levinshower, then it's off to Casseopia Hollow for Necro Inferno, then we finish up with Cedarwood and Necro Lightsome. We do those leves from R30-R50 every reset and get amazing SP very quickly (over 1k per kill for Dunesfolk). Only problem is because the SP is so good it makes all other SP seem like a waste of time so that can be annoying.

I really think they need to fix partying and grinding and then make leves be the casual content that it was supposed to be. Leve were supposed to be for people who didn't have much time so they could do them and get a quick boost but what has happened now is that they are so good when you do them in a group it makes them the only thing worth doing.

[Zumi]

It is solo friendly, by way that you CAN solo past r12 unlike FFXI. That doesnt mean soloing is the best option. It is just better than sitting around in town waiting for a group.

I also see that she gained only 1695 sp from 4 R30 leves at r28. I That seems pretty exaggerated, because I get over 200sp per kill soloing nanawa or nophica leves with my R29 MRD, easily getting over 1000sp per leve. When I solo a R30 Leve at one star with my R37 Pugilist, however, I get around what she get from a single leve.

I of course only solo a leve when it is almost time for leve reset and it is already old from last reset.

Took them awhile to address soloing in FFXI but its more or less fixed now with FoVs and double exp rates outside abyssea. So if you want the solo option in FFXI its there now.

[Zumi]

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So, 15 person party, each with 8 leves per 36 hours, each done at one star to finish quickly. . . that's 90 leves per reset, or 4.5 ranks and levels, not counting the SP you would get during the leves, or from behests.

You're right, that's a great idea.

Seriously, though, with proper parties and links it's already way too easy to get massive SP. I'm not saying there isn't something lacking in solo, but any suggestion put forward should take into account the already-easy method of partying.

There in lies the problem finding 15 people doing all their leves 90 or so in 1 reset is a big organizational issue. They need to be simpler go in do your leves get something worth while out of it.

[Zumi]

Zumi,

What you did in XI does not carry over to hear its a different game with different systems. For nanawa mines in 1 Leve solo I can do about 3k SP and that's not the good ones like adamantice and the other I forgot its name. As well At nophica the least rewarding leve i've seen solo with the appropriate difficulty and GA I never get less than 5k sp. levin shower solo you can get 8-12k sp in less than 30minutes.

With the new sp system and stats being changed on how its distributed there is now way you less then 1700 sp for 4 leve's. No offence but this seems very troll like . . . . . Most leve's I can do even solo and get at least a full level from with GA. Right now the amount of SP handed out is very much easy mode, and I'm sorry to say but you are playing the game wrong or on to easy of a difficulty level.

First off my numbers are completely accurate, and the data was taken the same day as my post 3/29/2011.

my character
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...cicuid=1545022

When I saw how bad skill points and exp points I was getting i went to my characters lodestone page to see what I started at and compare it to what I was currently at. And started logging my experiences to make this post. So the devs can hear my story and maybe fix it. I got a lot of those find the white light leves which did not yield much SP and made me run all over the map trying to find them. Luck of the draw I suppose. If you say you never get less then 5k I can tell you now that is false seeing as I only got 1695 on 4 of them.

When you say appropriate level I thinking you are meaning higher then 1 star correct? That just isn't possible when imps which check as blue which should be easy prey hit you for 80% of your HP. 2 stars is pretty impossible solo, due to the incoming damage. I even took the advice of fellow in game players and got cure, sacrifice (regen), and second wind to help out as you can see I actually took time to level a few other classes. Even with the ability to heal myself its not really possible to do more then 1 star the amount of incoming damage is too much to heal and if i heal myself all the time the mob will not die since its not being damaged.

I have no reason to lie about what happened. I just want the game improved. It still is very lacking since I had the experience I had that day.

To get a sense of other mmos and leveling and progression rates rates take this for example:
In FFXI which I played today actually I can go from level 75 to 90 in about 4 hours when leveling various jobs. Killed several NMs in abyssea for Empyrean weapons only took a couple hours downed 10 nms got 15/50 items I needed to finish the sword I am working on.

When the FFXI and FFXIV servers were down I played my WoW account, had to play something right, my paladin on WoW is already capped and geared out so started a new character a hunter soloed took her from 1 to 85 the cap in a week all solo with quests, and geared her our for starter raids in 2 days, was doing end game raids after that.

The amount of exp you get solo in FFXIV is way worse then FFXI ever was. When FFXI came out I got to level 30 solo without a problem. Started grouping in the kazham area at that point but it was fairly easy to find groups. Was the 2nd NA player on my server to hit level 75. So I do no a thing or two about leveling fast. It is not easy find groups at all in FFXIV like it as in FFXI. Past accomplishments in games do relate to new games in that it shows a greater understanding of the MMO genre.

We even had videos for FFXI to show off the stuff we were killing before anyone else could http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NzoD6SdE9A

[Viridiana]

There in lies the problem finding 15 people doing all their leves 90 or so in 1 reset is a big organizational issue. They need to be simpler go in do your leves get something worth while out of it.

I'm not disagreeing that some people have trouble finding parties. For those of us with no such issues, however, what you're proposing would be such a horribly unfair advantage it's unbelievable.

[Speeral]

First off my numbers are completely accurate, and the data was taken the same day as my post 3/29/2011.

my character
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...cicuid=1545022

When I saw how bad skill points and exp points I was getting i went to my characters lodestone page to see what I started at and compare it to what I was currently at. And started logging my experiences to make this post. So the devs can hear my story and maybe fix it. I got a lot of those find the white light leves which did not yield much SP and made me run all over the map trying to find them. Luck of the draw I suppose. If you say you never get less then 5k I can tell you now that is false seeing as I only got 1695 on 4 of them.

When you say appropriate level I thinking you are meaning higher then 1 star correct? That just isn't possible when imps which check as blue which should be easy prey hit you for 80% of your HP. 2 stars is pretty impossible solo, due to the incoming damage. I even took the advice of fellow in game players and got cure, sacrifice (regen), and second wind to help out as you can see I actually took time to level a few other classes. Even with the ability to heal myself its not really possible to do more then 1 star the amount of incoming damage is too much to heal and if i heal myself all the time the mob will not die since its not being damaged.

I have no reason to lie about what happened. I just want the game improved. It still is very lacking since I had the experience I had that day.

To get a sense of other mmos and leveling and progression rates rates take this for example:
In FFXI which I played today actually I can go from level 75 to 90 in about 4 hours when leveling various jobs. Killed several NMs in abyssea for Empyrean weapons only took a couple hours downed 10 nms got 15/50 items I needed to finish the sword I am working on.

When the FFXI and FFXIV servers were down I played my WoW account, had to play something right, my paladin on WoW is already capped and geared out so started a new character a hunter soloed took her from 1 to 85 the cap in a week all solo with quests, and geared her our for starter raids in 2 days, was doing end game raids after that.

The amount of exp you get solo in FFXIV is way worse then FFXI ever was. When FFXI came out I got to level 30 solo without a problem. Started grouping in the kazham area at that point but it was fairly easy to find groups. Was the 2nd NA player on my server to hit level 75. So I do no a thing or two about leveling fast. It is not easy find groups at all in FFXIV like it as in FFXI. Past accomplishments in games do relate to new games in that it shows a greater understanding of the MMO genre.

We even had videos for FFXI to show off the stuff we were killing before anyone else could http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NzoD6SdE9A

Well after checking out your character I do see some deficiencies in stats and skills. Here is what i propose if you want to be able to do devlit leve's solo and much more easilly. I did the one you did at nanawa last night Corpus Adamance. I will first recommend you use the next few leve resets and saved GA for leveling ur thaum and conj to 20 for the heals. you're short on the ability to cure yourself so when impish incantations hits you do not have enough cure to regen urself to a safe health level.

I am currently levelling 3 classes to 30 and my pug is also 28 almost 29. I know what happened and I will walk the leve through with you to ensure you can get maxiumum sp out of it. Corpus Adamance solo with GA at your rank 2 star is easily doable I did it last night and I have zero HQ gear just a more available skill set then you.

When you launch this leve have just protect in your bar with Sacrifice 2 and Cure 2 set that will allow for fast heals when needed after impish incantations. Also to enhance your dmg I would level Arch to 10 for raging strike as well I see your shield skill is rank 20+ take Shield bash and Aegis Boon and add that to your bar and 1 or 2 good weapon skills. that should have you with all the tools you need to beat this leve from a skill and stat side.


Now onto maximizing your exp and SP from this leve. At 2 star you can easily do this with what I proposed above and in no time beat it. Now when you start the leve make sure to attack the wisps first that way you can get the brightash they drop. Then once you have the brightash use it on the ladybugs to detect if they are ladybugs or devlits if not a devlit then attack it and kill it. If the devlit pops then run away from it until it disengages you and then leave that one devlit for last and kill all the other leve mobs and then the devlit last. This will ensure maximum sp for the leve.


I do strongly urge you to level both conj and thm to 20 first and archer to 10 take the few skills you need and you won't have a single problem. That leve alone should net 3-5k sp if done properly.
If after that you still have problems I would asses how you play the game.

also check out my character on the lodestone Speeral Olbodra you can see I have all the base classes to about 20 and a few over. This has been instrumental in helping me have higher stats and more skills/tools available to me as I level.

edited for spelling