Thread: 8.0 speculation

The other comparison here is Alisaie turning up in the MSQ for Stormblood after Coils. And I bring that one up because it's actually a great example for why they can't do this with Gaia. With Alisaie all they had to do was 'yadda yadda' past Coils, which is largely because she is still the same character before and after; Coils didn't really affect her or the world around her, so all that needs to be addressed is her actual knowledge of the WoL; if you've done Coils she's a friend, if you haven't she's just a vague acquaintance. She can and does exist outside of Coils.

Gaia actually doesn't exist outside of Eden. Her state as a character changes radically over the events of that story, and crucially, she starts it basically inaccessible, as an amnesiac prisoner somewhere off in the Empty. You cannot 'yadda yadda' past Eden to bring Gaia in, because Eden is Gaia's entire story, she does not exist without it.

And again, why bother? This is going through great lengths and basically just rewriting the narrative rules the game's entirely stuck to until now, solely to... what? Bring in a character for fanservice purposes that the people you're doing this for, by definition, cannot be fans of, because they have not met her? That's ridiculous, especially given Gaia's already thrived quite well off in side content and conditional scenes that only play for people who actually do know who she is.

Originally Posted by Cleretic

The other comparison here is Alisaie turning up in the MSQ for Stormblood after Coils. And I bring that one up because it's actually a great example for why they can't do this with Gaia. With Alisaie all they had to do was 'yadda yadda' past Coils, which is largely because she is still the same character before and after; Coils didn't really affect her or the world around her, so all that needs to be addressed is her actual knowledge of the WoL; if you've done Coils she's a friend, if you haven't she's just a vague acquaintance. She can and does exist outside of Coils.

Gaia actually doesn't exist outside of Eden. Her state as a character changes radically over the events of that story, and crucially, she starts it basically inaccessible, as an amnesiac prisoner somewhere off in the Empty. You cannot 'yadda yadda' past Eden to bring Gaia in, because Eden is Gaia's entire story, she does not exist without it.

And again, why bother? This is going through great lengths and basically just rewriting the narrative rules the game's entirely stuck to until now, solely to... what? Bring in a character for fanservice purposes that the people you're doing this for, by definition, cannot be fans of, because they have not met her? That's ridiculous, especially given Gaia's already thrived quite well off in side content and conditional scenes that only play for people who actually do know who she is.

Has it really been that long that people forgotten how Estinien started out in FF14?

A literal character in a side content that people "cannot be fans of" because they have not met him or how he was before he became a Main Character in 3.0 Main Storyline (Estinien literally wanted WoL dead because he was still blinded by vengeance, attempted to kill WoL, and Players were ready for a round two with him whenever he decide to attack again because of how 2.0 Dragoon Quest ended). Yes it was not a Raid but the first Job quest storyline for Dragoon in 1.0/2.0. He did not become a fan favorite until becoming a Main Character in FF14 due to all the developments he went through and players getting to know him more in the Main Storyline. Not to mention certain parts of 3.0 to 3.X did felt players would have gotten better context if they done the Dragoon Quest first but they manage to make things work and not require Dragoon 2.0 job quests after since everything they needed was just through 3.0 for Estinien as a Main Character. They just worked from there for his character into what he is now in current storyline.

Either way seem like a decent point to stop discussing this here since we cannot really find common ground due to concerns about how will Gaia affect FF14 Main Story by making Eden raid manditory or Not manditory but having context issues with alternate dialogues.

Not to mention now the next patch content is up and now just waiting for maybe 7.55 stuff after for the expansion teasers.