Thread: 8.0 speculation

Originally Posted by Pimsan20

Then the question remain is where is this new dungeon located? And how is it related to the great winter? The structure look like it was made by Garlean hands at first glance. Could it be from the ninth shard? Or is it separate city that Garlean traitors made? Honestly it is kinda hard to tell. But if this is from the ninth, we need to ask ourselves how there is snow while the shard has thunderstorms 24/7?

The Ninth is RIGHT out, we've seen that place's weather, and... well, frankly, this place is too nice. Plus the architecture's completely off from where the Ninth was, and the other screenshots we've seen are drifting Eorzea-way.

I also think associating the Winterers with winter is, while an understandable mistake to make, undoubtedly a mistake. Nothing of the little we've heard about the Withering from Halmarut suggests it's in any way related to cold weather (and in fact has never been called a 'great winter'), and in fact given 'winterers' as a term are for things like hummingbirds that specifically aren't around for cold weather, we should just assume no coldness is related to the Winterers in turn.

With something like this, I suggest thinking of the most low-key possible answer: that rather than jumping to the most grandiose possible theories, you instead consider something that most readily answers all of our questions, in a way that's as small as possible, with the logic that the real answer will be somewhere between the two--and, given all context, probably closer to the lower end, because they're not gonna stake their game-changing reveal on a dungeon that looks like a boring part of New York in December.

In this case, the smallest possible answer I can think of is that it's just another part of the city of Garlemald; far enough away from the military and political center we visited that it didn't get hit by the same treatment, but still basically got abandoned. You walk around whatever your nearest big city is, and you'll definitely see architectural differences between the commercial areas and wherever government house is; this could just be that. Alternatively, it's a neighboring city that's just far enough out to have a slightly different arcitectural style; maybe Landis.

Originally Posted by Cleretic

The Ninth is RIGHT out, we've seen that place's weather, and... well, frankly, this place is too nice. Plus the architecture's completely off from where the Ninth was, and the other screenshots we've seen are drifting Eorzea-way.

I also think associating the Winterers with winter is, while an understandable mistake to make, undoubtedly a mistake. Nothing of the little we've heard about the Withering from Halmarut suggests it's in any way related to cold weather (and in fact has never been called a 'great winter'), and in fact given 'winterers' as a term are for things like hummingbirds that specifically aren't around for cold weather, we should just assume no coldness is related to the Winterers in turn.

With something like this, I suggest thinking of the most low-key possible answer: that rather than jumping to the most grandiose possible theories, you instead consider something that most readily answers all of our questions, in a way that's as small as possible, with the logic that the real answer will be somewhere between the two--and, given all context, probably closer to the lower end, because they're not gonna stake their game-changing reveal on a dungeon that looks like a boring part of New York in December.

In this case, the smallest possible answer I can think of is that it's just another part of the city of Garlemald; far enough away from the military and political center we visited that it didn't get hit by the same treatment, but still basically got abandoned. You walk around whatever your nearest big city is, and you'll definitely see architectural differences between the commercial areas and wherever government house is; this could just be that. Alternatively, it's a neighboring city that's just far enough out to have a slightly different arcitectural style; maybe Landis.

Or what if it was a city made by the winterers? I mean considering that they want to outlast the great winter, making a city like the dungeon would make sense. It’s also a possibility that the Ascians had created the city in case if something went wrong with their plans? We know there is an Ascian that is a master of construction, so it highly possible that they are the one who made the city.

Originally Posted by Cleretic

...okay so I told you to think of a smaller answer and to not factor in the 'great winter' that is literally just not part of the story, and your response was to come up with improbably MORE enormous ideas that still use the 'great winter' as a core component. I'm gonna be straight-up here, I think you're aiming about sixteen miles too high on this one and I don't think I can convince you to aim lower.

So instead, if you're so insistent that the Winterers or the Ascians made it, why does it look Garlean? The Ascians loved Amaurot, which this doesn't really resemble in any meaningful ways, and one of the two confirmed members of the Winterers we have is the architect behind the Everkeep and Solution Nine, which is a fundamentally different metropolis. Neither of those approaches would look Garlean, so for your theories to hold, you're gonna need an explanation for why either (or both) of them suddenly went for concrete brutalism instead of their usual signature styles.

Honestly, I was using the connect the Ascians had with Garlemald and that we have some in Winterer. But you might be right that I’m aiming a little too high about it.