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    KenshiKawa's Avatar
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    Hell on Rails / MSQ Trials

    For the love of Hydaelyn,

    Please create a solo instance or Trust system for MSQ trials.

    I waited 500 minutes and could not queue for the trial needed to complete the MSQ.

    Sunday night / JP => Log In to Play, Can't actually do anything for 8 hours ?

    Please look forward to it.
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    I doubt they'll go back and add Trust/Duty Support to the MSQ Trials just because they won't improve the AI of the trusts to do more than the absolute bare minimum. That would mean changing mechanics as, again, FF XIV's trusts are barebones in terms of understanding mechanics.

    Instead of Leveling roulette, the current relic should've used Trial roulette instead to incentivize participation. All Leveling dungeons have duty support now I believe(?), so there wasn't as much a need to re-incentivize it. And Trial Roulette rewards are already pathetic in comparison to the other roulettes, especially as they add ilvl sync to trials, making them take longer than say Normal Raid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darnath View Post
    I doubt they'll go back and add Trust/Duty Support to the MSQ Trials just because they won't improve the AI of the trusts to do more than the absolute bare minimum. That would mean changing mechanics as, again, FF XIV's trusts are barebones in terms of understanding mechanics.

    Instead of Leveling roulette, the current relic should've used Trial roulette instead to incentivize participation. All Leveling dungeons have duty support now I believe(?), so there wasn't as much a need to re-incentivize it. And Trial Roulette rewards are already pathetic in comparison to the other roulettes, especially as they add ilvl sync to trials, making them take longer than say Normal Raid.
    There is nothing for the trusts to "understand". The fights are scripted and when 7 out of 8 characters are AI controlled programming their reactions shouldn't be any harder than treating them as part of the mechanics themselves. They only have to code the trusts' choreography for it.
    At worst they would have to include conditionals based on what role the player has.
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    Try data center traveling to the full server on your region
    Unfortaunetly the only solution til they make it queues in DF region wide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darnath View Post
    I doubt they'll go back and add Trust/Duty Support to the MSQ Trials just because they won't improve the AI of the trusts to do more than the absolute bare minimum. That would mean changing mechanics as, again, FF XIV's trusts are barebones in terms of understanding mechanics.

    Instead of Leveling roulette, the current relic should've used Trial roulette instead to incentivize participation. All Leveling dungeons have duty support now I believe(?), so there wasn't as much a need to re-incentivize it. And Trial Roulette rewards are already pathetic in comparison to the other roulettes, especially as they add ilvl sync to trials, making them take longer than say Normal Raid.
    There's already quite difficult trials with complicated mechanics that are handled by trusts just fine.
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    No, I'd rather trials not be beholden to duty support as well.

    What time of day are you queuing? Which languages do you have enabled in the duty finder? I'm doubtful that the newest trial would take that long under normal circumstances.
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    Literally half of DT MSQ Trials have had Duty Support, trials 1 2 and 5 did, 3 4 and 6 didn't, and you can observe that the ones that don't have are the moments in the story where we don't have enough characters around to aid us, it legitimately feels like they are hung up on the idea that if they can't justify it narratively, they can't have Duty Support for an instance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi View Post
    it legitimately feels like they are hung up on the idea that if they can't justify it narratively, they can't have Duty Support for an instance.
    I would assume the opposite approach: if they don't intend for a trial to have duty support, they will write the story so the other characters are unavailable – like back in earlier expansions where everyone else was suddenly busy every time you were due to run a dungeon. The writers have been having to adjust scenes to undo some of those early excuses now that trusts have been added.
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    Kujata / JP last night...All languages selected from 3pm - 11pm local
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    Well, was that 3pm-11pm JST or whatever timezone you are in? If it's the latter, that's a you problem.
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