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    VeyaAkemi's Avatar
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    Veya Akemi
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    I wouldn't mind the tome aspect so much if it wasn't the only option, quite honestly, I'd prefer to have the option to keep doing a diet version of the one-time step as an alternative.
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    Buzam Aidorouge
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    Excalibur
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    What has changed is the amount that is required per relic, that's about it. The content required remains the same.
    That, and the amount of relics needing to be done. 21 and counting is probably starting to become daunting for some (even the developers), and that might be another reason why they let you speedrun the other DT relics after you finish the step legit, doubly so if its on jobs you're still leveling and can't even use the relic yet but still need a tomestone dump.

    ...Incidentally, wouldn't people leveling other jobs be amassing tomestomes via other content and not Occult Crescent its self? It gives the impression that Square-Enix was trying to give people a "two birds with one stone" option, but it doesn't account for people who may already have all jobs maxed out and were expecting to do something "exclusive" on their jobs per relic.

    ...And so we come around again to why removing job quests/relying on role quests was a mistake, to say nothing of job homogenization eventually leading to content homogenization as it relates directly to jobs. Dawntrail really has been a compounding of past issues coming home to roost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    As for the idea that the content that could be run inside Eureka or Bozja themselves, it was new but also not really since it was all about glorified fates and NMs anyway.
    That's a good point actually.

    What is fundamentally different about running around killing specific mobs/FATEs in a Field Operation for STB/SHB relics versus doing hunt trains in the overworld for EW/DT relics? I gaze upon my Anemos/Protean Crystals and Poetics and I keep telling corporate that they're the same picture.

    Between this and the epiphany I had about the "no walls" thing earlier it's even more confusing. Field Operations and roulettes are both synced, so there's no way to trivialize the difficultly by over-leveling it. Field Operations and hunt trains both take place in an "open" area so one can't say that peotics farming is entirely claustrophobic.

    I struggle to understand what element of Field Operations is truly revolutionary from doing any other kind of synced or open world content anywhere else for a currency that gets fed into a relic, aside from tomestones taking up no inventory space.
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    Sindri Stjarna
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    Seraph
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Admittedly, I don’t generally like much grinding in any game. It’s not satisfying, it’s boring, and time consuming af. Ew was great and the visual appeal of the weapons made it worth it (and especially viable for alts). Now I don’t particularly mind in theory the bit of grind this time since it’s only once each tier but they need to change the atma rates. The rng is disgusting. It took me nearly three months just to get the last two verdigris. And this tier CE should be worth 15 at minimum. Something to incentivize people to do things in OC. Maybe new glams, mounts etc purchasable with silver and gold as well to add even more reason to be in there over spamming leveling rolos.
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    Dawning Gaur
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    Malboro
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    Blacksmith Lv 83
    Unfortunately I don't believe the company is very much interested in making something worth our while, but rather generating a timesink to keep us subscribed and invested while they figure out where to steer the sinking vessel next and convince the wizened shareholders to hold out for 8.0. I'm not theorizing, mind you, as the minimum I've said has been established as latest as the past year. If they, through the system of the game and activities they've created, can convince the playerbase that what they're doing is worth their time, then the self-generated interest will carry on their behalf.

    The problem with this mentality is that it works when you make something that most can bear to repeat, and from what I'm seeing so far, very few wanted the tomestone. The silver lining to this is that it at least costs something concrete and doesn't demand a random drop at the end of, say, a specific Alliance raid with a 15% of appearing (somehow like how Atmas operate, only in FATEs, which the company knows folks don't really enjoy -- it's why our characters flinched at the mention of them when we began the farm on the Occult). Just my two gil.
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